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SCHNiKEN Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 25)	posted March 02, 2000 03:45 PM I have only done one previous cycle before in my life. I did that one without any research. I am not going to make that mistake again its a new year and summer is right around the corner. I have been researching alot of stuff and the internet has been such a huge help and i have to say that this is THE BEST BOARD ON THE NET. Anyway I weight around 210 right now and have about 15-16% body fat. I am looking to get really ripped this summer even if im not HUGE. I was thinking of taking some sust and maybe some deca or winstrol... maybe both? The basic idea is i would like to get a decent amount bigger and i would like to lower my body fat to about at least 10 or lower by the time beach season starts. I have researched many cycles myself but i would like to know if any of the experts have any advice for me. ANy advice would be appreciated but not followed. I would just like some suggestions so that i could research them myself, as i am not into following the ideas of someone else id rather check out the facts and make the decision myself. Sorry for the long post but just had to get it across. If anyone can suggest a cycle where i could gain 15 pound of muscle and maybe go down to 10 percent bodyfat or less in about 2 or 3 months i would greatly appreciate the advice.. thanx l8rz IP: Logged
E2 Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 1052)	posted March 02, 2000 04:11 PM Deca Sust Winny 400..750 400..500 400..500 400..500 400..500 400..500....2cc eod 300..500....2cc eod 200..250....2cc eod ............2cc eod ............2cc eod Clen[3 weeks] or T3 [6 weeks] Cardio in the morning before any meals, no carbs until after your evening workout. TONS of protein. You will have the added advantage of the winny being a mild anti progesterone, as well take clomid eod during the whole cycle and two weeks of 100mg/day at the end. IP: Logged
SCHNiKEN Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 25)	posted March 02, 2000 04:41 PM that cycle is out of my price range on what i am willing to spend. I am sure that it would give me everything that i wanted and more but i dont think it is a choice that i can take. Does anyone have a "cheaper" cycle or can e2 rethink that cycle a little "cheaper".. im trying to stay in around a 500 dollar range. IP: Logged
SCHNiKEN Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 25)	posted March 02, 2000 05:24 PM bump IP: Logged
christian918 Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 80)	posted March 02, 2000 05:32 PM Stack your sust with ref-b. Its very cost effective and works well. Then use clen at the end like e2 said to cut up. 500mg sust per week 1.5 cc of ref-b per day, in 2 doses. -Christian IP: Logged
snapdragon Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 19)	posted March 02, 2000 05:46 PM I am with you--(new--looking for affordable cycle). Here is what I have learned so far. T200 (test enath) 200mg/ml 10ml can't be beat for price around $45-55 --cyp is a little more. NOR200 DECA 200mg/ml 10 ml around $95-105 Reforvit - b 25/mg/ml - 50 ml around $60-70 same as d-bol from what I gather--cheaper just nasty tasting liquid. T50- test prop 50mg/ml 20 ml $45-55 short acting test--sust has some in it. Maybe not neccesary with all the t200 you'd be using... Winny is pretty expensive--that could be 1/3 + of your total budget right there. Clomid and nolvadex and clen all affordable. Going the cheap route you could adjust the deca to fit the 10 ml budget and get 20 ml of T200 and adjust for mg/ml (ie 750sus for 600 t200--3ml for 3ml). Add in the t50 a couple times a week to bring test mg up to sus amts. As for ref-b wisdom seems to be that it should be used at begining of cycle. So that is about $320ish for that gear so far. You can prolly get/make fina for under $100 to use instead of winny at end of cycle. That should leave you with about enough for the clomid, nolvadex, and clenbuterol. Again I'm a newbie as well so I'm just passing on what I've found out in my budgetary studies. Fina may also not be good idea--people keep saying its not a beginner drug but on other hand I also hear "it works magic at end of cycle" What do the vets think of this idea... IP: Logged
SCHNiKEN Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 25)	posted March 02, 2000 07:07 PM BUMP.. IP: Logged
beerbarbq Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 85)	posted March 02, 2000 08:07 PM Getting Test-200 in a bottle by Brovel or Tornel would save you money instead of the sust, Norandren would probably be the cheapest deca also by Brovel, I would drop the winstrol because of cost and go with Equipoise instead as its cheaper and probably better for muscle gains in most people while still being low in sides. I would concentrate on fat loss and muscle gain one at a time as its tough to do both at the same time, try 4 weeks of fat loss followed by a cycle then another 2-4 weeks of fat loss, while your on the juice eat and lift heavy on the basics and grow then when its over concentrate on losing the fat then using an ECA stack or some Clenbuterol if you can get some. 750-500mgs a week of test,500-300mgs a week of deca, with 300mgs a week of equipoise would be a good stack for muscle gain. IP: Logged
SCHNiKEN Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 25)	posted March 03, 2000 03:39 PM OK.. I have 3 weeks to try and loose some weight before i start the cycle i think ive decided on the sust and ref-b to put on some mass.. its only my second cycle ever so i should get some good gains from that and its fairly cheap. Does anyone have any suggestions on an easy fat loss diet i could do. I have some adipokenitix ready for me i think im gonna take like 3 pills 3 times a day and im thinking of eating carbs only in the morning and then none throughout the day eating only protien and some fat. Then after my workout my myoplex shake has some carbs in it to try and reload my glycogen in my muscles a little for the next workout. Anyone have any suggestions on a diet? Would it be better for me to cut out the carbs in the morning and just eat carbs after the workout? Oh and i will be running three miles every morning on an empty stomach. I am about 16% bodyfat now. Also does anyone have an estimate on what i could possibly loose in three weeks??? Thanx for all the help everyone... IP: Logged
big_guy1 Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 315)	posted March 03, 2000 03:43 PM get soem t200 to save yourself some cash, besdies taht E2's cycle looks pretty good, I would take the winny ED though if you aren't afraid of injections, but EOD day will help cut down on injections big-guy IP: Logged
E2 Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 1052)	posted March 03, 2000 04:05 PM Sorry i wasn't reading the post more, can you tell me how much sust and refb you have and i'll give you a cycle. IP: Logged

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