posted February 29, 2000 02:35 AM            

use Wintergreen also.
it helps warm area & mentally it is sound.

keep working out,but work around the issue.
keep smiling.

posted February 29, 2000 01:53 PM            

A friend of mine had to STOP completely for 6wks to let his elbow heel.....he had waited too long before treating the problem.

As I said in a previous post. Celebrex worked well for me....and is suppossed to be a little easier on your liver & stomach.

Good luck

posted February 29, 2000 02:03 PM            

Impingement of the Shoulder
William F Bennett, MD PA

Treatment of Atraumatic Osteolysis of the Distal Clavicle with Intra-Articular Nadrolene Deconate

Dr. Wayne K Auge reported on a unique approach for the treatment of atraumatic osteolysis of the distal clavicle (ATODC) using intra-articular nandrolene decanoate (ND). Osteolysis of the distal clavicle occurs in athletes who perform upper body resistance training. Athletes who perform heavy bench presses seem to be particularly vulnerable to this condition. With osteolysis of the distal clavicle, bare bone is exposed in the "ac" joint. Traditional treatment of this condition includes intra-articular steroid injections such as cortisone, (a catabolic steroid exhibiting anti-inflammatory properties) or resection of the "ac" joint. Dr. Auge reported on a group of patients with bilateral ATODC treated with intra-articular nandrolene decanoate and followed for 4 years. The abstract did not report the sex, age range or number of patients.
The experimental protocol included injections of nandrolene decanoate (ND), an anabolic steroid with intra-articular anti-inflammatory properties and anabolic effects for bone remodeling for one of the affected sides. The other shoulder received an injection of betamethasone. The study reports that no systemic levels of ND were found when blood samples were analyzed with gas-chromatography-mass spectrometry.

The author reported that the ND treated shoulders responded similarly to those that underwent arthroscopic "ac" joint resection in that they could return to unmodified sports and they remained symptom free. The betmethasone shoulders remained symptomatic.

This approach to ATODC may represent a new treatment protocols. Further research should be encouraged including comparison to patients who receive an arthroscopic "ac" joint resection. Using an anabolic substance with anti-inflammatory abilities as opposed to a catabolic agent would be beneficial to patients. However, celestone works well for many patients and should be compared to nandrolene decanoate in clinical trials.

posted February 29, 2000 07:00 PM            

No such fucking thing.

Deca helps, but whenm you off the Deca, it's gonna hurt like a son of a bitch and maybe take longer to heal.

1. Don't aggrivate it, work out around it. If it hurts, you are filling up the area with fluids and making it more painful.

2. ICE IT (frozen peas, whatever, something below 32)

Ice it as often as you can: 4-6 x a day. Ice it until it hurts, then until it gets numb. After a bout 20 minutes stick the frozen peas back in the freezer. Peas can mold to the shape of whatever has the tendonitis, but if you feel silly use a styrofoam cup filled with ice (peel back an inch and rub it in)

3. and Ibuprofin 4 tabs 4 times a day.

Your tendonitis will go away.

Cortisone will fuck you up. Working through it will fuck you up. Gear won't fuck you up, but it's really just releiving the pain temporarily. You will probably have your tendonitis and then some when you come off. The time when you come off is when you need to be as healthy as possible. Coming off a stack with a hurt shoulder leads to shit like cortisone and Nubain, etc etc.

It can heal up in a week or so.

Also, try and strenghthen the supporting muscles around the injury area.

peace bro

posted February 29, 2000 07:34 PM            

However, it does seem to address a different problem, i.e. the study was not done on tendonitis. Also, I'm not sure the injections were intramuscular, such as the type guys like you and me take with AS, but rather injected directly into the joint.

Anecdotal evidence seems to support nandrolone decanoate as having joint relief properties. But it is probably just that, relief. I doubt if it's a cure and the pain may well come back after the drug is discontinued (I'm just theorizing here, I don't have any hard evidence). I would think ( and maybe wrongly) that if any AS could cure tendonitis it would have been documented as such.

Personally, I would stay the hell away from a cortisone injection. Sure it may releive the pain initially, but does so by breaking down your the inflamed tissues. Therefore, I don't believe it is a very good long term solution. The study cited by DINO seems to support this.

Be careful if you decide to work through the pain. I would'nt want to mask the pain with any painkillers in order to have a more comfortable workout. The pain is a signal that something is wrong and if you take the feedback out of the loop, you could do some damage.

I too have suffered from tendonitis in the past (and to some extent in the present). Like you, I hate to take time-off. What I did was change up excercises. Flat bench really aggravated the problem so I stopped doing it completely for quite a while (months). However, this is not to say I didn't work my chest. I just replaced the excercise with a hammer strength benchpress or a smith machine incline or something that didn't hurt nearly as much. If you haven't tried that, and absolutely won't take time off to rest, this may help.

posted March 03, 2000 12:28 PM            

Well, by last November, I couldn't curl 5lbs. I had to have surgery.

They went in under a local, gave me a two inch incision, scraped the scar tissue off the tendon, and then drilled several small holes into the bone to encourage bleeding.

You see, the tendons are the humans version of "white meat", as such, they do not get a very good supply of blood. That is why they take so much longer to heal than regular muscle tissue which is "red meat".

In short it has been four months and I am only back to about 90%. It will take another 2-3 months of careful lifting to get to 100%. The pain both before and after surgery were enough to make me cry.

If you go to my web site and look at my front double bi, you might be able to see scar on elbow.

So my advice is Take 2-4 weeks off and rest. Then come back and gradually work back to where you want to be.

I had Celestone, Deximethasone, neither worked for very long.(injections into joint)