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 Glycemic indecies on cycle.
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A-mass Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 131) |
posted February 27, 2000 02:08 PM
 
I know how to use glycemic indecies in my diet to an advantage, but does this change while you're on cycle? Is the strategy to basically eat all day long to keep blood sugar levels high? Or do you want to eat a moderate amount of low glycemic foods spaced evenly throughout the day with one high glycemic meal immediately after a workout? Also, some recommend consuming huge amount of food per day, like 7000-8000 calories? Won't this just earn you some extra fat from the cycle? I can understand going more calories than maintenence diet, but shouldn't all those extra cals be protein, and if so, then what's the point of going above 1000 cals higher than maitenance diet? Somebody who knows more about nutrition than me help me out here, please. ------------------ the alpha male IP: Logged |
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beerbarbq Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 72) |
posted February 27, 2000 03:14 PM
If your on AS then you might as well make it as productive a time as possible, eat alot even if it means gaining some fat on your cycle, you will probably be working out harder so you could definately use the extra calories not just as protien but carbs and fat as well, make your cycles count and when your off then think about fat loss. IP: Logged |
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A-mass Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 131) |
posted February 27, 2000 07:34 PM
bump. ------------------ the alpha male IP: Logged |
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MattTheSkywalker Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 248) |
posted February 27, 2000 07:40 PM
7000-8000 calories a day is an enormous amount of food. I have found it extremely difficult to go above 6000. When I am on, I try to eat as much as I can, because that is the time when max. gains will occur. Eat Eat Eat. When the cycle is over, you can worry about cutting, at least that's how I do it, because it is far more dificult to gain in off cycle time. Eat!!!!!! Matt IP: Logged |
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A-mass Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 131) |
posted February 27, 2000 07:52 PM
OK. I understand what you guys are saying. I can understand consuming huge amounts of protein while on cycle, because the AS will promote protein synthesis. So that could account for eating a little bit more, but not 3000 calories more! What I cannot understand is why a ridiculously high caloric intake is important. Think about where those calories are going. Your muscles don't need them... you've been eating all day long every day and they are already loaded up on carbs as soon as you finish your post workout meal. All they're doing is being turned into fat. I'm not saying you guys are wrong... I don't know anymore nutrition than any of you, but somebody tell me why the above is not the case. ------------------ the alpha male IP: Logged |
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beerbarbq Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 72) |
posted February 27, 2000 11:05 PM
You dont have to eat 3 or 4 thousand more than normal but I would eat at least 1500-2000 more than normal, you dont have to go overboard but just dont deprive your body of anything while your on. IP: Logged |
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macrophage69alpha Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 659) |
posted February 27, 2000 11:56 PM
low glycemic through the day with high glycemic after the workout is a good idea. Part of the problem with AS is that they reduce insulin sensitivity- this leads to erratic blood sugar levels and tiredness in some cases- this varies a lot from person to person and different AS effect insulin sensitivity differently. this is just something to take into account and adjust your diet accordingly with blood sugar problems. I beleive alpha lipoic will offset some of the reduction in insulin sensitivity. OK the answer is, as you might have guessed, different for everyone and different for every cycle variation. ectomorphs seem to have to increase the calories more- mostly becuase the typically have higher metabolisms. less calories may be necessary when using progestenic drugs like deca and anadrol. test- this is anecdotal- seems to require more calories. why this is I am not really sure, but I beleive that it is related to the NON AR mediated events associated with increased test. I agree with the others that it is better to err on the side of excess with this one and just cut away the fat afterwards- a little clen post cycle- DNP if you feel ready for it. but if you notice that you are just getting fat cut back on the calories if you are making gains but think they should be more- eat MORE. this seems very simple but most people just dont pay attention to their bodies and how they feel- they just think how much did I lift today, What do I weigh, how big are my arms today? this is a poor approach to tailoring diet for optimal gains. Most bodybuilders dont understand why they get tired after eating a large carbohydrate meal or why they get agitated or dizzy when their blood sugar drops to low becuase they ate too little before workout or after it. MY ADVICE IN TOTO- KNOW YOUR BODY AND HOW IT REACTS TO FOOD, SUPPLEMENTS, AS, AND STIMULANTS AND ADJUST YOUR DIET ACCORDING TO HOW YOU FEEL- IF YOU REALLY ARE IN TOUCH WITH YOUR BODY YOU WILL KNOW WHEN YOU ARE EATING TOO MUCH OR TOO LITTLE AND WHEN YOU NEED TO EAT AND WHAT FOODS ARE BEST FOR YOU PRE WORKOUT, POST WORK OUT, UPON RISING, BEFORE BED, ETC....... KNOWLEDGE IS POWER ------------------ IP: Logged |
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Socrates Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 22) |
posted February 28, 2000 01:51 AM
THANKS MACRO! IP: Logged |
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macrophage69alpha Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 659) |
posted February 28, 2000 02:22 PM
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A-mass Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 131) |
posted February 28, 2000 03:19 PM
Thanks guys. Replies make sense. Very interesting thread here, wish we could get more feeback. I guess it is the safe road to overeat to maximize lean muscle gains on cycle. Just to give yourself a buffer, so to speak. In theory though, you're not using up so much more energy on cycle. We're not becoming hyperactive compared to our lifestyle otherwise [except maybe one or two more days a week in the gym, and workouts that last a little longer]. So what's stopping us from just increasing our diet by about 5 protein shakes per day while on cycle -- That's about a 600 calorie per day increase... and theoretically, all of the mass gains you make should be lean bodyweight. And as long as you're getting enough carbs to compensate for work throughout the day, what's taking from those gains? ------------------ the alpha male IP: Logged |
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A-mass Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 131) |
posted February 28, 2000 09:36 PM
pfft. ------------------ the alpha male IP: Logged |
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the truth Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 26) |
posted February 28, 2000 10:10 PM
While an increase in caloric intake demands an increase in protein, skewing your macronutrient ratio too heavily in favor of protein will result in a good bit of the protein ingested getting burned as fuel. Find the macronutrient ratio that works for you in terms of getting the best lean mass gains and adjust your calories upward as needed, while maintaining that same ratio. IP: Logged |
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Socrates Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 22) |
posted February 28, 2000 10:27 PM
Hmmm... Protein cycling might have some anabolic benefit during a cycle, in the same manner it does while off? ---------------------------------------- IP: Logged |
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