posted February 25, 2000 10:37 AM         

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has anybody used GHB for bodybuilding? if so, what are the dosages/when/how often should it be taken?
most of the people i know that take G just use it to get high, but i have read that it is very good for muscle building.
it's supposed to increase protein synthesis, decrease protein catabolism, and increase growth hormone secretion. it also helps you sleep better and recover faster.
i would assume that the doses used for body building would differ from those used for recreation.

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posted February 25, 2000 11:06 AM         

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ghb sucks as a bodybuilding supplement. DOnt bother. Bodybuilding is a good excuse to use it but you wont see any results from it. MAYYBEEEEEEEEEEE a little extra hardness due to the gH spike it sets off but you would have to really abuse it to see results.

-=ZEPH

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posted February 25, 2000 12:26 PM         

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Zeph, I totally disagree. Everything that AXV said is right about the benifits. I don't have any scientific proof to back this up, all I have is personal experience. I don't think that the benifits are huge, but they do count. As for dosing, I use Renewtrient at bedtime. Its GBL, which your body converts to GHB. I would say a small dose would suffice. I use it as a diretic.

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posted February 25, 2000 12:30 PM            

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More/Better sleep
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great importance
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Growth/Recovery
thus even
if the GH
effects are minimal
there are still many
beneficial aspects of GHB
with regards to lifting/bodybuilding.

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posted February 25, 2000 12:40 PM         

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rotten - where can i get GBL? is it really as effective as pure GHB?
the kind of GHB i can get is the clear liquid people use in night clubs.
does anybody know anything about dosage?
i am mostly interested in taking it as a sleep aid, since i train late at night and have a very hard time going to sleep.

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posted February 25, 2000 04:29 PM         

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I am currently using it right now. i like how it is working. it helps me sleep better and seem to recover better. I only take 2-3 caps a night right before I go to bed.

sususer

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posted February 25, 2000 05:07 PM         

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As of last week, I'm not sure if you can get GBL over the net anymore. Congress passes their so-called "Date-Rape Act" As far as I'm concerned, its a bunch of burocratic assholes that are pissed off because they can't get blowjobs from interns anymore, so they take it out on us. I would just ask whomever you would get your gear from.If they don't have any then they know someone who does. I wish I could help you out more, but our government has pretty much screwed us all. I feel like an intern now.

As far as dosage, it depends on the person. I have friends that take 2-3 caps and are out, and I have friends that take 12 caps to feel anything. Start at a small dosage, and work your way up. Wait about 1/2 before uping the dose. It takes that long to set in. Never drink alcohol with it unless you feel like taking a dirt nap. Good luck bro

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posted February 25, 2000 05:30 PM         

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I didn't read you question all the way through. GHB is better for you then GBL, because it leaves less toxins in your body. GHB converts to carbon-dioxide and water when thru in your body.

I train late at night also, so I have a hard time sleeping. If you get GHB, then start with small doses like I said, and work your way up until you get the desired effect. Two rules tho. Like I said, don't drink alcohol with it, and don't drive on it. It would suck to find out that you've had too much driving down the road.

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posted February 26, 2000 11:54 AM            

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I agree completely with mac, GHB is a great tool for bodybuilding. The sleep alone, will improve your gains.

If you're having problems getting it just make it yourself at home, it's very easy.

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posted February 26, 2000 03:00 PM         

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sorry..we are all entitled to our opinions.

ghb has no place in bodybuilding. Btw..it destroys your kindneys.

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posted February 26, 2000 05:16 PM            

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why do you feel it destroys your kidneys? If you stay properly hydrated, you should not have a problem. This information about "kidneys" is most likey coming from someone who uses lasix and God knows what else!

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posted February 26, 2000 06:06 PM         

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E2-- how do you make ghb at home???

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posted February 26, 2000 06:16 PM         

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- I dont understand....all these rapes occured with alcohol. Is'nt alcohol a date rape drug? Ooops, forgot that 80% of our "law makers" are alcoholics. It is not considered a dangerous drug unless abused...Is that why it only costs a few bucks for a 12pack, and ladies "drink free" night goes on. Is'nt it illegal to be publically intoxicated in the US? Can't understand the logic here. They say one thing, but do another. They should do a little research on how much GHL and GHB it takes to get to this state...they may be suprised...I think I am going to take a whole bottle of asprin and sew the asprin companies now. After all, it may kill me. Dam that asprin...thats some dangerous stuff, wonder why its legal?

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posted February 27, 2000 05:07 AM            

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xrciseink has the right opinion. If anyone wants to read a really informative article on GHB and its medicinal uses check out http://www.smart-drugs.com/ias-Info/ghb-articles.htm

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posted February 27, 2000 04:28 PM         

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the 2 ingredients in GHB are:

Gamabutal lactone, and Caustic soda.

these two chemicals will not only burn a hole in your floor, but make silly puddy out of your kidneys. Lower back hurt while benching? If your on GHB thats why. My friend makes it in his garage. The GH spike it give you is so tiny its not even worth it. Use it to get high, but dont lie to yourself that its helping your training.. cause i promise you its not.
-=ZEPH

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posted February 27, 2000 04:41 PM            

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i am sorry that your friend cannot perform a simple ph balancing act- however that being said properly made ghb poses no threat to your kidneys any more than throwing 1/4 tsp of salt on your fries.

technically ghb is made with NaOH and KOH
sodium and or pottasium hydroxide

if you are using relatively pure sources there should be little problem with contamination- research grade chemicals while slightly more expensive are certainly better from a health standpoint. however that being said most in industrial grade products ar 99+% pure.

The point being that properly made ghb is not a threat to your kidneys. some people like to filter it to get all possible contaminants out- but the amount of contaminents in ghb made with industrial grade products,if any, is not more than typically daily exposure and probably a lot less.

BTW- our environment is full of toxins which we breath, drink and absorb all day every day.

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posted February 27, 2000 04:58 PM            

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I use Ghb three times a week and find it to work great weather or not it releases enough gh to make a differance is not as important to me as being a sleep aid, I can sleep 2 hrs. less and still feel like I got my normal amount of sleep which is great for that all important energy in the gym. 1.5 to 3 grams seems to be good for me. Less or more depending on what results you want. Remember Ghb is different for every one so like the other bro's said start out small and never mix it with anything!!! that alters mood in any way although coffee will help to cancel the affects if you decide to change your mind. It also works great for sex.... you can F@*k like a champ.

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