posted February 24, 2000 12:02 AM         

Do not start using gear until you reach 200lbs and can't get much heavier, despite reasonable attempts. I believe anyone should be able to get to 200lbs natural. It might mean a drastic change of diet and training, but it can be done. Once you're there, you know what you need to know to get the most out of a cycle.

Don't start until you're 21 and well-read. Don't take anyone's opinions on AS and physiology - there are no laws in bbuilding (except those set by the State) so whatever anyone says it's just an opinion. Use your own minds and THINK ABOUT IT.

Keep it simple - if it's your first cycle you don't need a stack to take you to the Olympia - it will just be wasted dollars. Be sensible and just stack two. A good test and one more.

Don't post asking everyone else if you should take gear or not - it's up to you, so inform yourself and use your heads (then your muscles).

Just my opinions, I want everyone to agree/disagree.

Personally, I only took AS once I thought I was close to my natural peak. I consdidered why I wanted to do them and decided it was because I loved that positive feeling of growth. I don't go to extreme lengths, mostly because I feel a lot of the doses being recommended these days are too high, and also because I intend to be doing this for a long time, so slow and steady!

posted February 24, 2000 01:12 AM            

Jon

posted February 24, 2000 01:39 AM            

SOME REGULAR PEOPLE ARE TALL AND WIDE ENOUGH TO HANDLE BEING 200 LBS.

WEIGHT ALL BY ITSELF CANNOT QUALIFY A PERSON
TO EITHER BODYBUILD OR NOT.

IT HELPS IF A PERSON HAS SOME MASS BUT IT IS NOT THE SOLE DETERMINANT.

OTHERWISE, A REAL SKINNY PERSON WHICH GRADUALLY ADDS EXERCISES AND GAINS MASS CAN GO ON TO ATTAIN RESPECTABLE SIZE MEASURE BY THE AMOUNT OF MUSCLE BUILT.

WITH EXERCISE AND PROPER EATING HABITS REST AND RECUPERATION, NOT TO MENTION A FEW CYCLES
ONE CAN DEFINETELY GROW BEYOND NORMAL BORDERS.

I DO AGREE WITH ALL THE OTHER OBSERVATIONS YOU HAVE MADE BUT I DIFFER ON THE WEIGHT GAIN.

posted February 24, 2000 01:42 AM            

200 lbs is an unattainable goal for many- especially those below 5'9. and for others they weighed that in high school before they started lifting. that is too arbitrary and insulting to some of the shorter guys and taller ectomorphs.

but other wise I aggree with most of what you said- in principle
however you use too many absolutes
for some people their age does not have to be 21- especially if they are doing it to compete at the college or national level athletics- I agree that people, from a medical stand point should probably wait- but they certainly do not have too and in some cases, for competitive/financial reasons-hey a football scholarship can be very valuable- they should not wait.