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 ECA kicking my @$$
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Rodden Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 4) |
posted February 22, 2000 02:02 PM
  
I've been on ECA(25/200/325) for about 8 days (3x/day) and DAMN have I got results! I lost about 6 lbs. and my energy is through the roof! Questions for the pros: 1. I've been feeling real nervious and jittery. I also get this weird headache behind my eyes. Am I doing too much? Sorry for all the questions but I need to know. Also, please share your experiences with ECA. Rodden the King IP: Logged |
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bowedup4life Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 22) |
posted February 22, 2000 04:35 PM
How are you taking the ECA? It should be every other day. You shouldn't be on it for more than 6 weeks. Caffeine is known to be addictive but I think the stack is worth it. IP: Logged |
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E2 Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 879) |
posted February 22, 2000 05:48 PM
Forget that every other day stuff, take it straight, and what you're feeling is normal. IP: Logged |
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champion Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 60) |
posted February 22, 2000 09:37 PM
Every other day. Watch your heat, blood pressure and don't diet to heavy. I cycled it for awhile on a diet, a few weeks into it I started noticing all of those side effects and more then 1 day at work my body temp skyrocketed, nose started bleeding (8-12 mins) and I almost passed out. Had to keep putting cold,wet towels on my head for like an hour. I lowered the dose 2/day and felt fine. Just monitor yourself and don't push to hard on diet and cardio. ------------------ IP: Logged |
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Joe Juicer Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 173) |
posted February 22, 2000 10:37 PM
The ECA is addictive. You can develop a chemical dependency. It's not like being addicted to heroin or anything (not speaking from experience), but you'll feel kinda "low" without it when you first cycle off. THat's just part of the deal, but you CAN'T stay on that stuff for ever. Come off after 6 weeks. ------------------ IP: Logged |
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bad brains Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 154) |
posted February 23, 2000 02:08 AM
I use ECA but I never had nose bleeds, get a little headache, and feel heat. I kept right on taking it. Caffine is addictive but I don't think the stack itself is. I was taking a ECA stack 3 times a day for a while and survived and I even slept good unless I took it a short while before bed. IP: Logged |
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Jonrocks Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 39) |
posted February 23, 2000 02:20 AM
The only major drawback of the ECA stack is that it taxes the hell out of your ardrenal glands if you use it too long. By they way, you can not get addicted to ECA. It is like saying that you can get addicited to AS. What happens when you take it too long is that your body becomes less sensitive to the ECA stack. You need to take more and more to yield the same results. The best way to take it is 3X daily for about 3 weeks, then take 2-3 weeks off. I would even take longer like 4 weeks. Make sure that it is Ephedrine, Caffien, and Asprin... not Ma Hung, Guarna and White Willow Bark. The herbs aren't as effective. Try not to ingest any extra caffien ither. As for the headaches and the side effects... thats all part of the stack. Try taking more time off between doses, instead of 3X daily try 2X, if that doesn't work try 1 to half a doese daily. IP: Logged |
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macrophage69alpha Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 588) |
posted February 23, 2000 02:22 AM
ECA every day 3-4 times a day cycle it with adipokintix or a clone thereof you really dont ever have to go off it is effective for up to 6 months- some studies say longer 12-18months actual fat burning benefits increase after a couple of months so 6 weeks on is a bad Idea. Yes ECA is addictive, but quitting just makes you tired for a week and have a bad head ache for 2-3 days.- This is from caffeine withdrawal, not ephedrine withdrawal. if you keep taking the caffiene you will notice little or no change- maybe slightly tired. side effects you have noticed are normal and will subside within several days to a week- for most people near the end of week 2. ------------------ IP: Logged |
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Jonrocks Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 39) |
posted February 23, 2000 02:27 AM
you really want to mess your self, up but lean down quickly... try adding some triaticol or triax to the stack 3X daily... then finish yourself off with some yohimbe earlier in the day. You will feel like s@*t at first, but once your body adjusts you will sorch your bodyfat in no time. I myself can't take yohimbe.. it messes me up real bad. But the triaticol works pretty good. Got some good definition in my arms realitily quick with the stack. IP: Logged |
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madbomber31 Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 259) |
posted February 23, 2000 03:04 AM
everyone has there eca theories.. as far as teh herbs not being effective, thats horse shit!!! the onlly difference is they take longer to get into the body.. that is it... i usually tell people to take it 5 days on, 2 days off... your body does grow a tolerance to the stuff, on your off days try to take some synephrine for a pick me up thermogenic... eca is fun!!! if your jittery, just cut back the dose for a few days, you will get used to it and not be jittery anymore. IP: Logged |
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Jonrocks Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 39) |
posted February 23, 2000 03:11 AM
Herbs are not as effective. When taking a herbs, first, you don't know what part of the plant that you are ingesting. Certin parts of the plant contain different concertrations. With herbs you don't know really how much you are getting into your body, where as with the pure chemical, you know *exactly* how much is going in. Herbs are supposedly regulated by a standerized extract. But that is only a very rough estimate. All I know is that I can "feel" the stack better with pure chemicals when compared the herbal equivlant. IP: Logged |
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macrophage69alpha Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 588) |
posted February 23, 2000 03:28 AM
JONROCKS caffeine is addictive and cessation of its use will result in withdrawal symptoms. E caffeine A so in essence ECA is addictive- though not really anything to be concerned about. ------------------ IP: Logged |
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Jonrocks Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 39) |
posted February 23, 2000 03:36 AM
I do agree that caffiene is addictive, but are you sure that a doese of 200mg daily is? [This message has been edited by Jonrocks (edited February 23, 2000).] IP: Logged |
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macrophage69alpha Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 588) |
posted February 23, 2000 03:45 AM
YEP AND FOR MOST PEOPLE ITS 600MG- 3X A DAY AT 200MG EACH DOSING. as I said before withdrawal symptoms are mild but they are still withdrawal symptoms. Think of it this way if you have 3.5 pepsis per day, everyday, when you go without for a day you will get slight withdrawal symptoms such as fatigue or headache- thats 200mgs caffeine per day. Back to my original point though ECA actually becomes better at fat burning over time whereas the CNS effects diminish over time. cycle of ECA should last at least 3 months- though if you want to do shorter cycles with use of other thermogenics during of periods this might also be satisfactory. I personally prefer DNP, ECA, Yohimbine for 1 week followed by 2 weeks clen with/without ECA. then continue with ECA for a while maybe switch to adipokinitex for a week or two and then repeat after about 3 months or so. ------------------ IP: Logged |
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Jonrocks Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 39) |
posted February 23, 2000 03:48 AM
I understand the caffien addiction, but how does it become more effective after 3 months of use? [This message has been edited by Jonrocks (edited February 23, 2000).] IP: Logged |
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macrophage69alpha Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 588) |
posted February 23, 2000 04:17 AM
the exact mechanism is unknown, however it has been theorized that the down regulation of Beta1 and Beta2 leads to an upregulation of Beta3- Theory #2 is based upon beta agonists effects on brown fat- either by increasing the amount it or more heavily activating it. Both work on the principle of uncoupling and are to a certain extent interelated. However all the studies show increased fat metabolism after the intial 6weeks- though the point a which it actually starts of course probably varies considerably. though more weight is lost in the intial six weeks a greater percentage of it comes from water- offsetting the higher value. ------------------ IP: Logged |
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Rohan Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 49) |
posted February 23, 2000 05:44 AM
I've been taking it for 3 years with very few breaks. I never go above 10% BF (200lbs 5'6") You will develop a tolerance if you don't mix all 3. So if you run out of aspirin, ephedrine and caffeine will still work, but not for long, as your body becomes accustomed to it. When I do go off for a week or two, I use Prolab's Metabolic Thyrolean. This is a non-stimulant which improves your thyroid function and works GREAT! IP: Logged |
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