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Ok here is the stuation,

I can say right now I'm not prone to getting gyno. I have done 3 cycles, finishing the third now and have not had to take ati-estrogens because I have not been prone to gyno.

I have heard a lot about proviron and it's ability to give most men a constant erection while on it. So if you're suffering from deca dick then this will be of help.

Now... If I were to take the proviron even though I'm not prone to getting gyno will that mess me up in the future making me dependent on anti-estrogens?

I am not going to start it now because I am done with this cycle and have had no problem, so this would be applied to the next.

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E2
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(Total posts: 859) posted February 22, 2000 11:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for E2   Click Here to Email E2     Edit/Delete Message UIN: 54337564
Proviron is not an anti estrogen, it's an antiaromatase. It prevents the test for aromatizing into estrogen. Where as most anti estrogens compete with the estrogen in your body for receptor sites, they dont' necessarily get rid of it , they just block teh recpetor so the est in your body can't latch on to it.

Taking proviron won't make you at all need to take anti est in the future, it won't create a dependancy.

Are you serious, have you never taken and anti est at all???

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Rock_Man
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(Total posts: 253) posted February 22, 2000 11:43 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Rock_Man   Click Here to Email Rock_Man     Edit/Delete Message UIN: 8696614
That's what I wanted to know.
Yes, I'm serious. Have never needed to take anti-estrogens. I have had no probs of gyno what-so-ever.

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2Thick
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(Total posts: 346) posted February 22, 2000 11:58 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for 2Thick   Click Here to Email 2Thick     Edit/Delete Message
You are a lucky guy. I know of friends who get gyno just from looking at gear. I think you may want to have some on hand just in case your body decides it's time to grow man-breats...ha!

Jon

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Rock_Man
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(Total posts: 253) posted February 22, 2000 12:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Rock_Man   Click Here to Email Rock_Man     Edit/Delete Message UIN: 8696614
Yeah, I do have some on hand but have never used it. I probably will on the next cycle though, because I want to go really heavy on the next one. So just to be on the safe side I won't be taking any chances!

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vinman6967
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(Total posts: 55) posted February 22, 2000 12:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for vinman6967     Edit/Delete Message
I agree with EE....

Vinman

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die_hard842
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(Total posts: 82) posted February 22, 2000 12:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for die_hard842   Click Here to Email die_hard842     Edit/Delete Message
E-2 is somewhat correct, it still has never been proven that Proviron has this effect in the body the plain truth is Proviron is a anabolic S. they say it does fight for the estrogen sites in the body but the verdict is not in yet.

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conan69
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(Total posts: 77) posted February 22, 2000 12:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for conan69   Click Here to Email conan69     Edit/Delete Message
wait proviron gives erections when you got limp dick i have never heard that but if it is true i have like a hunderd and fifty of those bad boys for my next cycle very good info

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