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D-Town Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 19) |
posted February 21, 2000 06:27 PM
  
I would really appreciate your oppinion's on this cycle bros. I have been lifting consistantly for six years with the recent exception a severe case of the flu. This will be my first cycle so I have been reading as much as my time will alow for a couple of months now. I've found this site to be the most informative and I am proud to be a member. I am 6'1 185lbs at about 8% b/f. I want to start with a bulking cycle this is what I was thinking of. wk.1-5 25.mg.dbol/day 500mg.sust/wk 400mg.deca/wk 50mg.clomid/eod wk.5&6 500mg.sust/wk 400mg.deca/wk 50mg.clomid/eod wk.7 500mg.sust/wk 300mg.deca/wk 50mg.clomid/eod wk.8 250mg.sust/wk 200mg.deca/wk 50mg.clomid/eod wk.9 100mg.clomid/ed wk.10 50mg.clomid/ed wk.11 50mg.clomid/eod I plan on keeping some Novladex handy just in case. What would be the best way to inject this cycle, meaning how often for the sust. and deca. Is this to much for a first cycle or to little or right on, I would very much appreciate your oppinions. Any comment on sideffects and what to expect, 15-20 lbs. a likely range for results? IP: Logged |
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CANNON Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 4) |
posted February 21, 2000 06:54 PM
HEY DUDE SOUNDS LIKE YOU ARE ABOUT TO HAVE SOME FUN.NO ONE CAN TELL YOU WHAT TO EXPECT. EVERYONE'S BODY RESPONDS DIFFERENT. I KNOW A DUDE WHO PACKS ON 50 LBS IN 10 WEEKS WITH 1/2 OF WHAT YOU ARE GOING TO DO. ON MY FIRST CYCLE I USED ABOUT THE SAME AS YOU AND GAINED 68 LBS. I DROPPED DOWN TO 250 WITH SOMOTROPIN AND WAS A SOLID 3% BODY FAT. I WAS POKING MY UPPER GLUTE'S AND SHOULDER'S. JUST BE CAREFUL!!! I PICKED UP SOME GYNO FROM THE D-BOL. IF YOU HAVE PROBLEMS JUST STOP EVERYTHING BUT THE DECCA.IT IS NOT WORTH YOU HEALTH DUDE. HAVE FUN IP: Logged |
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NaLbUpHiNe Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 107) |
posted February 21, 2000 07:00 PM
looks like a 1/2 cc of deca will be unused!!! you might account for that if you have it in ampules! IP: Logged |
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Big Brother Val Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 224) |
posted February 21, 2000 07:09 PM
Looks good. I'd take the Sustanon twice a week for sure. And I've always taken just one shot of Deca a week. The clomid should help with the gyno symptoms, but you do have the nolvadex. I'd stick to the glutes on shots, because I prefer it. But you can alternate into the quads if necessary. I'd only shoot into the shoulder if the devolped any absesses or something. You can mix the Sustanon and Deca in the same shot, and take both twice a week. Mixing the Deca with it will also take away some of the soreness from the Sustanon. Just don't go over 3 cc's per site when injecting. IP: Logged |
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E2 Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 902) |
posted February 21, 2000 08:25 PM
I like it a lot, one of the best newbie cycles, i'd hit 750 sust the first week, and shoot your sust every monday and thursday. I'd also change the clomid at the end, to 9&10 100mg/day 11&12 50mg/day just to be sure and to be careful. Your deca you can shoot every week that's fine. I'd shoot the sus in the arse, i don't like it anywhere else(that sounds bad) and the deca in the quads or shoulders. 20lbs easily if you're eating well, i'd look for more than that as a newbie. havu fun and let us know how it goes. IP: Logged |
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D-Town Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 19) |
posted February 23, 2000 07:25 PM
I appreciate all the help! IP: Logged |
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A-mass Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 107) |
posted February 23, 2000 10:55 PM
D-town do two injections per week, either 3 or 4 days apart (Monday + Thursday for example). Each one should contain 1 ml of Sust (or 2 ml if you're going to do 750 mg for the first week) and then half of that week's Deca dose. The mixture will lessen the stinging sensation. Plus part of the Sust mixture lasts about 3-4 days in the body so it can't hurt to keep that up by 2 injections per week. ------------------ the alpha male IP: Logged |
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2Thick Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 363) |
posted February 23, 2000 11:16 PM
Way too much for a first cycle!!!! I would reduce the Deca to a maximum to 300mg/week and taper it from there. You might get big so fast that you will get those dreaded stretch marks and will probably injure yourself because of the quick strength gain (especially since your tendons, ligaments, and joints are growing much slower than your muscles). Jon ------------------ IP: Logged |
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filtheboss Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 185) |
posted February 23, 2000 11:23 PM
SOOOOO RIGHT 2THICK THATS WHAT I WOULD HAVE SAID BUT NOT AS WELL AS YOU SAID IT. ALSO CRUEL AS THIS MIGHT SOUND USE 1.5" 22 OR 23 GAUGE NEEDLES. OR EXPECT AN ABSESS IN YOUR GLUTES. IF YOU HIT THE MUSCLE YOU ARE FINE BUT IF YOU DONT THEN THE STUFF WILL WANDER THROUGH YOUR SYSTEM LONGER AND BE LESS EFFECTIVE. PLUS THE BUMPS. [This message has been edited by filtheboss (edited February 23, 2000).] IP: Logged |
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E2 Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 902) |
posted February 24, 2000 12:32 AM
2thick and fil why do you want him to go lower??? I think this is a great newbie cycle, no offense but i think the cycles that you're been offering to newbies are a little weak, i think they should hit it hard and gain as much as they can on their first cycle. IP: Logged |
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filtheboss Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 185) |
posted February 24, 2000 12:48 AM
I BELIEVE THAT IF HE HAD THE PATIENCE TO WAIT SIX YEARS FOR THE RESULTS HE HAS THUS FAR THEN GIVEN WE DONT KNOW HIS MEDICAL HISTORY OR HIS GROWTH POTENTIAL USING STEROIDS. IT MIGHT BE WISE TO PROCEED WITH CAUTION. HE COULD ALWAYS INTRODUCE A NEW SCHEDULE WETHER MIDWAY OR AT HIS NEXT CYCLE. SOMETIMES ITS BETTER TO ERR ON THE SIDE OF LESSER DANGERS THAN THE HIGHER. SOME BODYBUILDERS WITH LOW BODY FAT LIKE HIS ON THE LOW SIDE I MEAN. WILL GROW TREMENDOUSLY AT FIRST CYCLE. THAT SAID IF HE IS STILL HEALTHY AFTERWARDS HE CAN DO ANOTHER ONE WITH PREDICTABLE RESULTS.
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2Thick Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 363) |
posted February 24, 2000 12:55 AM
E2, I know you are a big guy so you might have forgotten that the average man weighs about 160lb (or in this case 185lb). Therefore, he does not need nearly as much juice to grow as a person of your immense manly muscle does (ha!). He will do just fine for his first time with moderate amounts of test. Also, the amount of test is not even close to being as important as his training, diet and rest. Once people get that ingrained into their psyche, it will be time to move on to heavier cycles. Why waste so much juice on a first cycle that will not net nearly as much gains due to unavoidable circumstances stemming from something as simple as inexperience. Jon ------------------ IP: Logged |
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bowedup4life Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 23) |
posted February 24, 2000 01:33 AM
I am thinking of doing the same cycle too. I was just wodering how much of the gains will be lost. Would it be better to start the deca later and finish later so it will help keep the gains from the sus. IP: Logged |
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filtheboss Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 185) |
posted February 24, 2000 01:54 AM
THE IMPORTANCE OF KEEPING WHAT IS GAINED VIA THE USE OF ANABOLICS IS HAVING FIRST BUILT A SOLID FOUNDATION. NOT ONLY IN THE AREA OF THE BODY BUT IN THE HABITS OF MAINTAINIG IT. BUILD A HOUSE ON THIN GIRDERS AND WATCH OUT. SOLIDIFY A BODY FIRST AND THEN INTRODUCE IT. THE WORST THAT COULD HAPPEN IS YOU GO BACK TO WHAT YOU WERE. THIS ONLY APPLIES IF YOU STARTED WITH A HEALTHY ONE. TAKING TIME TO LEARN ABOUT SOMETHING GOING INTO YOU IS EXTREMELY IMPORTANT. WOULD YOU EAT SOMETHING SOMEONE TOLD YOU WAS GOOD, WITHOUT FIRST ASKING WHAT IT WAS? PERHAPS YOU SAY?. BEING INFORMED IS KEY BEFORE DURING AND AFTER.
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