posted February 18, 2000 11:18 PM            

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im 16 years old. i know roids usually arent recommended for this age, but what about Anavar? either alone, or with primobolan depot. seems like this could be a safe combination and wouldnt even stunt growth. thinking of combining that with post workout insulin. is this at all practical for a 16 year old? if not would just anavar alone be practical at all? for fat burning i was thinking of trying clen since it isnt much more harmful than e/c/a.

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posted February 18, 2000 11:24 PM            

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Hey bro, I would not take any type of juice at the age of 16. You are way too young. You haven't even begun to achieve your full natural potential for gaining muscle mass. Taking juice right now would hurt you more than it would help you. You have so much testosterone in your system right now, why fuck that up. Juice can stunt your growth and prevent your bones from growing correctly. Right now I would strongly reccomend that you just stick with legal supplements like creatine and glutamine and make sure to eat a lot. If you keep hitting the weights, you will grow. Maybe when you are in your twenties you can consider the possibility of taking juice, but for now DON'T!

Hope you make the right decision,
androx

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posted February 18, 2000 11:34 PM            

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NO. IT ISNT PRACTICAL AT 16.
AT THAT AGE, AND NOT COUNTING YOU AS MY LESSER BECAUSE YOU ARE NOT, A BODY IS STILL GROWING AND HASNT MATURED ITS INTERNAL ORGANS LET ALONE MUSCLE MASS. GIVE YOURSELF SOME MORE TIME AND DONT FOLLOW THE FOLLOWERS.
JUST MY ADVICE. BE MORE OF YOU FIRST AND REALIZE YOUR COMPLETE POTENTIAL. EAT RIGHT, SLEEP GOOD EXERCISE AND KEEP A GOOD MENTAL DISPOSITION. A FEW YEARS WILL PASS AND YOULL BE GLAD YOU WAITED. BUT IF YOU DOUBT MY WORDS THEN GO AHEAD AND DO AS YOU MAY BECAUSE IN THE LONG RUN IT WONT BE ME.
CERTAINLY NOT PREACHING TO YOU, BUT IF I THOUGHT IT WOULD HELP YOU I WOULD PREACH, SO LONG AS YOU WOULD LISTEN.

GROW SAFE
JEEEEESSEEEE NOW I SOUND LIKE DEAR ABBY!!!!!!

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posted February 19, 2000 12:56 AM         

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i join the masses... avoid AS for now... i remember all teh "big dudes" from my highschool were on AS, now all but a handful are tiny little pussies.. its funny. and pathetic... if you dont care what you look like when your 25-30-40-50, then go for it, but you will regret it at some point. and that wont be just a little regret... you will wish you did things different. take some good "natural stuff". for your eca to get shredded use xenadrine, use cytopro or another good protein that naturally increases hormone levels... use zmass for an anabolic boost and strength gain supplement... (notice a trend? all are cytodine stuff, all work great). hell, use creatine.. i hate the stuff, but it will get ya by, bigger and stronger then you are now.

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posted February 19, 2000 12:19 PM            

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Actually anavar for you alone is no big deal, i have no problem at all with you taking it, anavar was actually designed to be taken by children and women. Just don't go crazy on the dose. It's also very hard to find real anavar as well as expensive.

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posted February 19, 2000 12:33 PM            

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Big truth; at your age, I agree there might be a "few" things that might not have a any negative sides on the long and short run, but i�ll personaly guarantee you won�t notice the diference between taking them or not.

Waste money and efforts on nutrition and trining, those will give you clean and permanent gain on the short and long run, permanent and free of any sides.

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posted February 19, 2000 01:37 PM            

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yeah thats what i was thinking, anavar is safe. im gettng a job in 2 months so i could afford it considering i have few expenses. you guys don't think adding primobolan would be a good idea? ive already done everything under the sun as far as supps go, and i have a great diet and all. currently im injured and rehabing. once im able to resume normal training i want to make up for lost time. im looking to gain 10 lbs or more a month with 8 lbs being muscle.

btw, is there anything i could take to strengthen ligaments? thats my injury, torn UCL in the elbow. 8+ months rehab.

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posted February 19, 2000 03:26 PM            

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d1734-Anavar might be ok at a reasonable dose but AS at your age aren't the best idea i'm 19 been training for 5 years and still haven't done the juice, i'm going to eventually but not until i don't grow anymore naturally. Have you tried different exercise's days off or diet change? remember your body will adapt to your training, you don't want that always got to through something different in, what supplements have you tried and have you given them enough time to work?. Bro give it more time and be patient, as for your injury try some glucosamine, works good for me...

Grow till it hurts then grow somemore
Plates

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posted February 19, 2000 03:41 PM            

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Nothing wrong with Anavar...but like other people said... you should have a VERY reliable source -- and at 16 that might be hard. Also what are your stats... I mean, when i was growing up I can speak for myself and a couple of my friends who knew what they were doing... we were all natural until 18 and I still am but not for long heheheh. I swear if you compared the gains we made on glutamine, creatine, protein shakes packed with aminos taken 3 or 4 times daily and 5 days a week in the gym... and you compared them to any one of these 25 year old guys on juice on the board... you do not see much difference. I mean, we were putting on a pound every other week... adding 5 pounds to max bench press every 2 or 3 weeks... And that sort of gains kept up for 2 years! If you're already plateauing... then go ahead... but at least put a effort into doing it naturally before you hit the juice!

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posted February 19, 2000 04:21 PM            

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not afraid to post my stats, even if they suck. 5'9" 160 lbs @ 10% bf. 4 months ago i was 138 @ 11% bf. thats the thing, i know i will make gains as soon as i can lift again, i bet i could gain minimum of 1 lb muscle a week without the juice. thing is i can tell you now, by the time i finish rehab i will be so frustrated that i will want to go all out. ill probably go on a mad bulking phase of 5,000 calories a day, and with juice i bet i could turn almost all of it into muscle. i know it would be hard to get ahold of, but im sure someone could be so kind to hook me up. so sure ill gain without it, but im sick of being small and want it to end asap. oh and anyone who knows plz let me know on the p-depot if that is even worth a tennager getting.

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posted February 19, 2000 05:07 PM            

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Damn I'm posting a lot today, must be bored. Anyway, bro... if nothing's going to stop you then at least learn a little bit about the drugs you're taking. Anavar alone isn't going to do much to answer your question. I've read it's good for strength gains but not expect too much mass.

The other thing is that steroids were not very widely studied while they were legal... and now there is even less study in the US [which is where most of it takes place anyway] so it's been tough to find reading on effects on people of young age. But I do know some children are treated with steroids for maturation of the genitals. So I don't know if it screws up your natural test production permanently if you use at a young age... it is proven though, that your growth plates will fuse [your bones will not ge longer] so if you're happy being 5'9 for the rest of your life....

One last thing.. 5'9 and 160 pounds isn't bad for 16 years old. I used to have stats like that and I was the 'ripped kid' in school. Enjoy those years, my friend. Get as much ass as you can. Hahaha, so much for being a positive influence!!!!

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