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macrophage69alpha
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posted February 18, 2000 07:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for macrophage69alpha   Click Here to Email macrophage69alpha     Edit/Delete Message
this is a little poll designed to help people to decide whether they are at risk based upon the experiences of other as well as to determine some of the different factors that contribute to the various kinds of GYNO. If hany one has any questions they would like to see added please feel to add in the thread and I will edit mine.


do you have gyno?

have you ever had gyno?

Have you had surgery for your gyno?

if so, did it come back?

did you have it before you started using gear?

Would you consider your self to be ecto/meso/endo- morph?

what is your ethnic background?

do you beleive the source of your gyno to be progestenic or estrogenic or a combination of the two?

does your gyno go away or is it always present?

what have you had success with in terms of reducing your gyno or eliminating it?

this is incomplete but its just to get things started, particpation in poll would be appreciated.

PEACE

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phiend
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posted February 18, 2000 08:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for phiend     Edit/Delete Message UIN: 63040172
Actually, I got a little gyno from high doses of Androstene one time. I just used a little Chrysinex and it went away.
When I used D-bol, I did not experience any gyno at all.
Right now, a part of my stack is deca, and I actually feel a little nipple sensitivity.
I am definitely a mesomorph, and still pretty young. Gyno is a weird thing with me. I get it when I shouldn't, and I don't see it at all when I think that I should.

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macrophage69alpha
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posted February 18, 2000 11:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for macrophage69alpha   Click Here to Email macrophage69alpha     Edit/Delete Message
bump-

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ozzymandius
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posted February 18, 2000 11:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ozzymandius   Click Here to Email ozzymandius     Edit/Delete Message
do you have gyno? YES

have you ever had gyno? yes
Have you had surgery for your gyno? yes 2x

if so, did it come back? yep
did you have it before you started using gear? not started yet

Would you consider your self to be meso/endo- morph? ??????????????

what is your ethnic background? Scandinavian

do you beleive the source of your gyno to be progestenic or estrogenic or a combination of the two? ????????????????????

does your gyno go away or is it always present? Oh itz alwayz here

what have you had success with in terms of reducing your gyno or eliminating it? well first surgery I had worked till my fiance died- then I died now I'm diggin myself outta the grave

this is incomplete but its just to get things started, particpation in poll would be appreciated.

Good luck if you find out bottle it and give me some. l8r

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B
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posted February 19, 2000 12:14 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for B   Click Here to Email B     Edit/Delete Message
Yes I have had gyno. Just on one side, go figure

I had surgey for it last week.

I was using STEN and Muscletech Products when it developed.

Ethnic backround is Hispanic

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WCP
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posted February 19, 2000 12:30 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for WCP   Click Here to Email WCP     Edit/Delete Message
Never had gyno, dont want it, just starting my first cycle, and it would suck hardcore.
But...one question I can answer is that Im blessed to be a perfect stereotypical mesomorph. Wait is that a blessing?....
OH and if I can help it gyno aint happening....

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tray renfro
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posted February 19, 2000 12:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for tray renfro   Click Here to Email tray renfro     Edit/Delete Message
i have gyno from andro products.
havent gotten it from AS yet.
dont know body type.
african background.
if i dont need to use nolvadex for this cycle im might use it after to see if it gets ride of the gyno i have now.

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tray renfro?!?!
gotta cumm up

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livinbig
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posted February 19, 2000 02:23 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for livinbig   Click Here to Email livinbig     Edit/Delete Message
Yes I have had gyno, on left side. I got it going through puberty. Most of it had went away by the time I was 16. I still have a small lump about the size of an eraser.I have done two cycles and never had any problems with it. My first cycle was 250 mg sus/week 200 mg deca/ week and my second was 300 mg EQ/ week and 50 mg AD50/day both were 8 weeks long and the last was about six years ago. I am white and 27 years old. I am an mesomorph.

livinbig

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Socrates
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posted February 19, 2000 03:07 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Socrates   Click Here to Email Socrates     Edit/Delete Message
just wanted to give a BUMP! to macro--this is most definately a valuable use of the board. If people who were at high risk could now before cycling, lots more protective measures could be taken.

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Still Growing
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posted February 19, 2000 09:10 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Still Growing     Edit/Delete Message
I just wondered what these morph-things are. And when you say you've got gyno from andro products, do you meen androstenedione and norandrostene?

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scourge1
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posted February 19, 2000 02:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for scourge1   Click Here to Email scourge1     Edit/Delete Message UIN: 2877127
do you have gyno?
No.

have you ever had gyno?
Yes, left breast.

Have you had surgery for your gyno?
Yes.

if so, did it come back?
No.

did you have it before you started using gear?
Yes.

Would you consider your self to be ecto/meso/endo- morph?
Mesomorph.

what is your ethnic background?
Caucasian.

do you beleive the source of your gyno to be progestenic or estrogenic or a combination of the two?
I'm damn sure it was from prohormone use..

does your gyno go away or is it always present?
Got surgery when I first noticed it. So I don't know.

what have you had success with in terms of reducing your gyno or eliminating it?
No gyno anymore, nipple looks good, no obvious scars.

As a side note: Surgery to relieve gynocomastia is covered under most health plans in the US. But if its not most surgeons are more than willing to write it as a possible tumor and get it covered by insurance.

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Deepsquat
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posted February 19, 2000 04:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Deepsquat   Click Here to Email Deepsquat     Edit/Delete Message
AS to the "morph" things an explination.
Ectomorph is one who tend to be lean ,skinney ,tough time putting on weight.
Endomorph: one who tends to be fat,puts on weight just looking at a cake
Mesomorph:A football front lineman, puts on muscle easily,wide shoulders hips thick chest big head,big joints.
All people are a combination of the 3 .You would not want to be all meso because your hip would be too wide ,all ecto could not put on the mass needed and an endo could not get cut enough

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massmonster2
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posted February 19, 2000 06:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for massmonster2   Click Here to Email massmonster2     Edit/Delete Message
Yes I have had gyno. I have had the surgery on both sides. It was from very, very heavy test. usage. I had the surgery last year and they have not come back as of yet and hopefully they won't. stay big

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Les
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posted February 19, 2000 07:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Les   Click Here to Email Les     Edit/Delete Message
do you have gyno?yes

have you ever had gyno?yes

Have you had surgery for your gyno?no

if so, did it come back?

did you have it before you started using gear?yes

Would you consider your self to be ecto/meso/endo- morph?ecto

what is your ethnic background?greek

do you beleive the source of your gyno to be progestenic or estrogenic
or a combination of the two?don't know

does your gyno go away or is it always present?always present

what have you had success with in terms of reducing your gyno or
eliminating it?nothing

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Heemaan445
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posted February 19, 2000 07:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Heemaan445     Edit/Delete Message
test

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Heemaan445
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posted February 19, 2000 08:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Heemaan445     Edit/Delete Message
I'll post this on this thread, but am getting to repeat it to explain my pic..

Went on d-bol in April '95....was so pleased with making progress, kept doing it up til October '95...only a week or two break thrown in once in a while..(novice)....

Late Oct.....drinking with buddies....6am, they tell me my eyes are yellow.....thought it was my contacts....took them out for a week, didnt go away, piss was "flourescent yellow", shit was light colored.....(stopped taking the d).....girlfriend and parents made me go see a doc.......

I didnt tell him I was taking D, just let him go at it, he said my liver was inflammed and might need a transplant....I wasnt shit'n, but my family was...I knew that it would be back to normal after a while......

Didnt get better, so doc admitted me to hospital, and on 3rd day I saw a new and young doc, and told him about the d, he smiled and said "your going home, you'll be fine by Thanksgiving"....he seen it alot....

Anyway, it was the worst time of my life,..the cold sweats, the itching, the weightloss and weakness, no way in the world to go out of the house and "live".....well, it took a while and my "bilirubin" count started going down around Thanks. and by Christmas I was back to normal...though I went from 225 to 173 !!!

Then in Jan, I noticed a lump behind my nipple, I remember checking it every night....it kept getting bigger week after week.....then it settled into the size of an egg.....it was noticeable under clothing (with a good look)....it hurt too.....it was caused from my liver being affected and sending out too much estrogen into my system.....it came on very, very unexpectedly, didnt know what it was......

Finally decided to get it cut out a year and a half later....health coverage didnt want to cover it, til I had a second inteview with a woman, and kept referring to it as a "painful lump on my breast", she had sympathy and allowed my plan to cover it.....

So, the gyno definitely has to go, but fucking up the liver is really, really bad.....I've learned.......

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Thunder
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posted February 19, 2000 08:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Thunder   Click Here to Email Thunder     Edit/Delete Message
I have heard that it is possible to take the gland out of the breast causing no other gyno outbrakes anyone else know of this also some help on Good doctors in southern cal area thanks for the help

Thunder

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ozzymandius
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posted February 19, 2000 11:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ozzymandius   Click Here to Email ozzymandius     Edit/Delete Message
I had everything taken out when I was you-16yrz old. nerves/glandz/fat he told me I actually had breast issue like a chick. damn itz sad. anyway I have gyno again so to answer your ?- doesn't matter bodies got a way of makin yah laugh

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macrophage69alpha
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posted February 20, 2000 02:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for macrophage69alpha   Click Here to Email macrophage69alpha     Edit/Delete Message
bump
Help others by sharing your experiences with GYNO

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Tueros
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posted February 20, 2000 07:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Tueros   Click Here to Email Tueros     Edit/Delete Message
MP,

Congratulations on undertaking a study of gyno. Does this make you a gynocologist? Just kidding.

I have not had gyno, but have not AS of yet used gear.

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nbk
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posted February 21, 2000 06:10 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for nbk   Click Here to Email nbk     Edit/Delete Message
no gyno

I�ve done very few, very short, very mild cycles; don�t find the need to go heavy metal untl my gains slow down.

I�m actualy afraid of getting it, cus I thought I had it before steroids, but it turned out I really didn�t know what it was and whaen I cut my self bigg time there was nothing there anymore.

Bump it up

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Small Potatoes
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posted February 21, 2000 07:43 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Small Potatoes     Edit/Delete Message
Dont have full blown gyno, but did take MuscleTech Nortesten 4 caps/day for 8 wks and near the end, nipple started to itch and seemed to be puffy...seems like these prohormones may be more pron to cause gyno than some AS

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Rohan
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posted February 21, 2000 10:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Rohan   Click Here to Email Rohan     Edit/Delete Message UIN: 6857257
I've posted this before guys: the closest I've ever seen to non-surgical cure is Nolvadex. I've seen it reverse many cases to barely imperceptible levels. The dosage is heavy though... 80mg in divided dosages per day for about 2 or 3 weeks, then taper down to 40mg per day until it is no longer noticeable. This works!

I've also seen posts on other boards talking of injecting pgf2 into the nipple area, because this apparantly kills fat cells locally... Haven't tried or seen it tried yet, though.

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Big Brother Val
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posted February 21, 2000 11:02 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Big Brother Val   Click Here to Email Big Brother Val     Edit/Delete Message
do you have gyno? Starting signs of it.

have you ever had gyno? Yes.

Have you had surgery for your gyno? No.

if so, did it come back? N/A

did you have it before you started using gear? Yes. I got it from Androstent/Tribulus

Would you consider your self to be ecto/meso/endo- morph? Ectomorph

what is your ethnic background? Caucasion
(scandanavian/irish/scottish)

do you beleive the source of your gyno to be progestenic or estrogenic or a combination of the two? Estrogenic

does your gyno go away or is it always present? Goes away.

what have you had success with in terms of reducing your gyno or eliminating it? I was really getting symptoms started up on my t200/n200 stack. At Mac's suggestion, I started taking 50 mg. clomid every other day. And the symptoms have really backed off, even after I increased my dosage. I do have nolvadex, but have not used it yet. The clomid seems to be working very well.
THANKS, MAC!!!!!!

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macrophage69alpha
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posted February 22, 2000 07:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for macrophage69alpha   Click Here to Email macrophage69alpha     Edit/Delete Message
bump

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MattTheSkywalker
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posted February 22, 2000 09:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MattTheSkywalker   Click Here to Email MattTheSkywalker     Edit/Delete Message
Gyno? NO

Ever? NO

Body type - ecto/meso morph

Ethnicity: Caucasian

Also - used clomid each cycle, nolvadex present but haven't used.

AS used: Test cyp, sust, deca, halo

doses: Test cyp, Sust - to 750 mg a week
Deca 400 mg/week (I think)
Halo don't remember

Cycle lengths - 10 weeks on, usually 16- 20 off
To others who post on this topic, include what you have used and doses and number of cycles, etc.

It may help later to draw conclusions.

Good idea MP

Matt

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macrophage69alpha
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posted February 24, 2000 01:53 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for macrophage69alpha   Click Here to Email macrophage69alpha     Edit/Delete Message
bump

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