posted February 18, 2000 10:08 AM         

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I AM 260 POUNDS WITH 15% BODYFAT, HOW MANY SUSTANONS DO I NEED FOR THE FIRST TIME. I HAVE READ THE POSTS AND DO NOT WANT TO GO ON THOSE ALONE. I AM MORE ADVANCED THAN THE AVERAGE FIRST-TIMER. I NATURALLY BENCH 420, AND SQUAT 575.I ALREADY HAVE 12 AMPS FROM THE NILE COMPANY.CLOMID ALREADY ON HAND.

BY ANY MEANS NECESSARY GROW

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posted February 18, 2000 10:12 AM            

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what do you plan on stacking it with?

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posted February 18, 2000 10:15 AM         

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I CAN NOT STACK THIS WITH ANY ANABOLICS BECAUSE OF POSSIBLE DRUG-TESTING IN 6 MONTHS.
I WANT TO STICK WITH TEST.

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posted February 18, 2000 10:19 AM         

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what up man?!!?! check your email bro.

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posted February 18, 2000 10:20 AM            

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Well with 12 amps you could do something like this:

week1 - 750mg (3 amps)
week2 - 750mg
week3 - 500mg
week4 - 500mg
week5 - 250mg
week6 - 250mg

I say get more butif thats all you have you can just do that. Start the clomid 2-3 weeks after your last shot cuz sost stays active about that long.

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posted February 18, 2000 10:22 AM            

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you could still stack it with d-bol. And remember this, they have to test for juice specifically. It will not show up in regular piss test. That is a fact, i used to monitor drug testing when i was in the military.

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posted February 18, 2000 10:22 AM            

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Thats fantastic for a natural, but if your going to get the most out of your FIRST cycle I would get four more sust. for a total of 16 so you could take 500mg a week for eight weeks and stack it with some d-bol/
cycle sust/d-bol
week 1 500mg/30mg
week 2 500mg/30mg
week 3 500mg/25mg
week 4 500mg/25mg
week 5 500mg/20mg
week 6 500mg/20mg
week 7 500mg/15mg
week 8 500mg/10mg

Sust will self taper and only take nolvadex if you start seeing signs of side effects. 10mg a day should do the trick without making your gains suffer. And yes you should take clomid. Do it right or don't do it at all, you'll just waste money and effort. Stay focused.

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posted February 18, 2000 11:53 AM            

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sunnyman's cycle is not bad but i'd take one of the sust of week 8 and stick it on week 1 so you 1 is 750 and 8 is 250

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posted February 18, 2000 11:56 AM            

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Correct me if I'm wrong, but sus will just show up as a higher test level on a "Steroid" drug test right?

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posted February 18, 2000 03:24 PM            

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debo! how about a little more background,
at 260lbs you definitely have size, do you have definition?, are your goals to pack on more weight? and if so are you concerned with bodyfat or are just out to gain for now.
sounds like a lot of questions but it helps to know before giving any advice.

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posted February 18, 2000 04:46 PM            

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I agree with E2...Blast the recpters from the start, keep the test levels up....last shot 250mg's and let nature take it's course.

Ranger

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posted February 18, 2000 10:58 PM         

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WELL GUYS I AM SORRY I DIDN'T GIVE MORE DETAILS BUT I AM 6'2 260. I AM TRYING TO LEAN UP AND GET STRONGER AT THE SAME TIME.THE REASON WHY I CAN'T TAKE DECA IS BECAUSE IT STAYS IN THE SYSTEM TOO LONG. I WILL BE TESTED IN SEPTEMBER.

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posted February 18, 2000 11:13 PM            

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I personally like DianaBallBusta's cycle (based on what you currently have) because it hits the receptors heavy right from the start and then tapers as they start to downgrade. Sunnyman's will work well too but definitely go 750 the first week or so.

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posted February 18, 2000 11:16 PM         

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WHAT TYPE OF GAINS CAN I EXPECT?

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posted February 19, 2000 03:33 PM            

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Gains depends on which cycle you do and how much you eat and train man. I like training every body part twice a week. I bet you could put on a solid 15 lbs with the one I suggested...maybe more. With sunnyman's you could probably gain 20-25 because you have 2 extra weeks on it. But everyone's different and you could be able to gain more or might gain less. Just expect to grow.

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posted February 19, 2000 04:27 PM            

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Agree with E-2, am on a cycle similar right now!

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posted February 19, 2000 05:20 PM            

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You looking for lean strength gains? Stack the testosterone you have with some trenbolone. Doesn't matter what kind... if you can find Negma, great... if not... Fina works too -- very androgenic. They both give great strength gains, harden you up, and won't put on water weight. Have to start worrying about side effects with a tren/test cycle though.

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posted February 19, 2000 06:48 PM         

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If you weight 260, I'd try at least 750 mg. for several weeks (at least 4 weeks) before tapering down.

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posted February 19, 2000 08:55 PM            

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try probenecid,or benzbromarone,(azubromaron,also desuric,uricovac)or anturane.these are all to block the sreiod test results and also you may try dieretics and water to flush.
that is if you need to pass a roid screening.

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posted February 20, 2000 01:25 AM            

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When you guys recomend taking more than 1 amp of sust. do you do all of them at the same time on same day, or do you do 1 injection every 2 to 3 days?

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posted February 20, 2000 07:29 AM         

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Some people shoot all the amps on one day, but I believe it's better to spread them out over the week to keep a smoother testo-level.

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posted February 22, 2000 11:48 AM         

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GET THE FUCK OFF MY THREAD TALKING ABOUT IRRELEVANT SHIT JONROCK START YOUR OWN THREAD.

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posted February 22, 2000 03:23 PM            

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real smooth debo.

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posted February 22, 2000 06:18 PM            

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Wow debo,
Is that the way you act when you have company over? Lighten up.

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posted February 22, 2000 08:52 PM            

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DEBO!!!!

are you the FRIDAY DEBO????? is that you????

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