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 Concerned for a friend... info on insulin please...
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Big Brother Val Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 151) |
posted February 14, 2000 07:30 PM
  
Hey guys. If there is one thing I haven't researched yet, it's insulin. I've been reading up on it some, and realize there is a lot of risk to it. A chum of mine is taking it now, and will be doing 10iu a day for 2 weeks on, 2 weeks off. He says he'll be taking 300 grams of carbos immediately following his shot. I'm reading more on the subject. Absolute Truth has some great info, but am really after peace of mind. Any tips? Is he gonna keel over and die or anything? Any info you guys can give would really be appreciated. Thanks guys. IP: Logged |
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DianaBallBusta Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 207) |
posted February 14, 2000 07:35 PM
If he's seriously competing then maybe he should be doing it. I don't really think its worth it unless its for a competition. It's just too risky for me man. But I've never done it, just heard bad stuff about it...especially if you do it without knowing anything about it. It can make you a diabetic and fuck you up. IP: Logged |
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Big Brother Val Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 151) |
posted February 14, 2000 07:37 PM
No competition. He just wants to get bigger. IP: Logged |
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massmonster2 Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 59) |
posted February 14, 2000 07:50 PM
Here is how I was taught and it was by someone that really knows their stuff. I am in no way condoning this I am just trying to keep someone from getting screwed up. Take 8 units of humulin r first thing in the morning. Then about 20 min. later eat a meal consisting of your normal amt of protein and 80 grams of carbs, 50 of them should come from simple sugar such as orange juice. Then have another 8 units ready for after you lift in the afternoon or eve. As soon as you are done lifting, do it. Then 20 minutes later eat the same type of meal as you did in the morn. Always have some candy with you in case you start to feel weird!! That is for a bulking phase, for contest carb-up it is different. If he does this tell him to be careful. Stay big IP: Logged |
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massmonster2 Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 59) |
posted February 14, 2000 08:08 PM
I also forgot to tell you to make sure he doesn't go to sleep for awhile after he does it. If taken in the eve. Eat at least 3 meals before bed. Stay big IP: Logged |
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Mr. T Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 79) |
posted February 14, 2000 08:43 PM
Insuline can be some scary shit. I would stay far away from that stuff. Everything I ever read about Insuline has delt with potential coma's and death from misuse. IP: Logged |
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kpumpin Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 105) |
posted February 14, 2000 09:29 PM
insulin use is only dangerous if the user is neglegent. If you take insulin you must have carb coverage. The common amount is 10g of carbs per iu taken. The guy that helped me with insulin said "Make sure you eat, if you feel some of the symptoms of hypo coming on eat more. You're a bodybuilder so you shouldnt have any trouble eating." Its also a good idea to use a mixture of high and low glycemic carbs. If you take in all high glycemic carbs and they are used when the insulin is still active it could cause some hypo symptoms. I myself am hypoglycemic, and i use it without trouble. U just make sure i eat high protein and high carbs while the insulin is active. However, i wouldnt go over 10ius. I know people that use more but that tends to increase fat storage significantly. kpumpin IP: Logged |
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macrophage69alpha Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 514) |
posted February 14, 2000 09:35 PM
Most of the guys that I know that have used insulin look "soft", I mean they get bigger but their muscles are not hard- I personally dont think insulin is all that anabolic and that if it is used it should be used in conjunction with GH and IGF so you get the anabolic effect without the fat effect. I also beleive that insulin can be a safe adjunct to training if used responsibly- it just seems that most of the gains from insulin are intramuscular fat- which makes you bigger looking but may also give a softer appearance. I have personally never taken insulin biut a lot of the guys that I have trained with have- most thought it was useless though a few still swear by it. peace ------------------ IP: Logged |
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treetrunks Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 1) |
posted February 14, 2000 09:37 PM
Insulin is a dangerous drug.. I am an R.N and have treated many patients in DKA (Diabetic Keto Acidosis) if you like playing with your life be my guest... its not mine...stay large not dead!!! IP: Logged |
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Iron Mike Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 17) |
posted February 14, 2000 10:26 PM
I know a fair bit about insulin (not bragging) so if you want more info mail me at [email protected]. First, a lot of what the guys say is right. Wait twenty minutes, no less and not more than 30. Don't do too many simple carbs but have sugar on side all the time. His sugars will be up and down like a yo-yo, and this means he has to pay the closest attention to his body and be prepared to call an ambulance if he fucks up. But I wouldn't recommend it unless he's competing. Seriously, the problems are very real and proven, with many more unknowns out there. Tell him to save his money and health and invest in a good solid cycle of gear. IronMike IP: Logged |
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Deepsquat Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 206) |
posted February 15, 2000 03:16 AM
I have used insulin. 10 grams of carbs per I.U. is correct. Tell your "friend" to start eating 30 minutes after injecting.Injecting in diferrent sites seem to effect the rate of release,the stomache, the thigh. Also tell him to watch for a second rush, after having consumed enogh food, sometimes an hour or two later your blood sugar will start dropping hard again.So eat again.Always make sure that for several hours after an injection he has immediate access to food.He may want to start at 5 or 6 IU and build his way up .1 IU per 10 kilograms of bdw. ------------------ IP: Logged |
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Rohan Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 43) |
posted February 15, 2000 03:33 AM
I've used insulin - personally I'd prefer good 'ol AS. The guys are all right there, but your meals must also have protein in them. Protein is absorbed over a much slower period and it is the effect of insulin on protein synthesis that you're after (building size!). Cover this with carbs throughout though. As stated above, you will probably be soft/watery/fat. Your body can be tricked into producing more than enough of it's own insulin by manipulating simple carbs. Nothing beats testosterone! IP: Logged |
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Big Brother Val Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 151) |
posted February 15, 2000 12:54 PM
Thanks for all the info, guys. He took it yesterday, 10 IU's, and took a whopping 300 grams of carbs after, juice and pasta. He'll be on for 2 weeks on and 2 weeks off. But I've decided not to touch it yet, because hell, I've got T200 and Deca, and like what I see. And I'm just not comfortable with it when you take into account all of the risks. I'll post what type of results he sees. I'm just afraid he'll go into hypoglycemic shock while he's sleeping or something. So I'm still very concerned. Thanks for the quick tips, Bro's. I really appreciate it. IP: Logged |
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Club_SOda Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 10) |
posted February 15, 2000 01:08 PM
igf- 1 isnt that the same as insulin Insuling as a man over here said is been using by pro pro pro pro bodybuilders who makes a BIG life risk when using it (how they use it) But of course diiabetics are using it and it couldnt be so dangerous or??? of course u have to treat everything with respect unless u wanna get sick or die. thats all in this life , not wearing a seat belt , drinking a 96% of booze as fast as they can , driving fast , all this , gulp IP: Logged |
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Deepsquat Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 206) |
posted February 16, 2000 02:25 PM
Club-soda I just have to ask,what sort of recreational drug did you use tha f**ked up you thought proccessing center.Or are you just a 10 year old that is playing on his daddys computer?So much gobolly gook spills from you key pad that is is frightening to know people are out there walking the streets with the rest of us. IP: Logged |
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