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pauly7 Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 42) |
posted February 12, 2000 02:17 PM
  
I am a christian and am getting read to start my first cycle. I am feeling a little guilty about the whole thing. Has anybody dealt with this dilemma as well? One verse that keeps popping in my mind is "your body is a temple" and I want to build the best temple I can. Can anyone relate with me here? IP: Logged |
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pauly7 Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 42) |
posted February 12, 2000 02:21 PM
Also any help with my sust cycle would be really appreciated. I start monday! got 10 amps, protein powder and a lot of discipline! IP: Logged |
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E2 Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 608) |
posted February 12, 2000 02:23 PM
Just decide what's more important to you, your religion or your cycle. I know it sounds simple and it isn't. I'm not religious at all so it's easy for me. One thing i don't understand is people who are half religious. If you want to follow a religion follow it, not just the parts you like! IP: Logged |
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DianaBallBusta Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 183) |
posted February 12, 2000 02:24 PM
Oh man here we go. At the mm.com board last week someone posted the same question and it got about 70 replies. Keep in mind mm.com is not half as big as this one. No flame intended by that man. I'm catholic and I know that we are not supposed to abuse our bodies by abusing drugs and alcohol. I think that as long as you use the juice smart and do not abuse it then it is OK. I don't really see it as a way of polluting your body as drugs and alcohol do. Just keep your head about it. I see it as a way of bettering yourself. Whether it's giving you confidence or building self esteem. Just my thoughts bro. IP: Logged |
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pauly7 Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 42) |
posted February 12, 2000 02:27 PM
I dont think its a matter of christianity vs. steroids. I am just wondering if its really wrong for a christian to use steroids? Its not like smokin crack or pot, I am going to use it to better myself, not to escape reality or to just get screwed up. Thanks for your opinion e2. IP: Logged |
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pauly7 Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 42) |
posted February 12, 2000 02:29 PM
right on dyna I appreciate the reply. made a lot of sense. IP: Logged |
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pauly7 Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 42) |
posted February 12, 2000 02:50 PM
does anyone else have anything to say on this matter? Any inputs would be appreciated. Thanks. IP: Logged |
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macrophage69alpha Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 490) |
posted February 12, 2000 02:55 PM
I would like to help out but I am sure that my answers, regarding your indoctrination related dismay, would be too inflammatory. peace ------------------ IP: Logged |
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studcj Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 138) |
posted February 12, 2000 02:56 PM
No it is not ok. I'm not claiming to be a Christian, but I have studied the NIV bible extensively. Im not religious anymore, but I do know that according to the bible, it is wrong. I know that its not what you wanted to hear but it is the truth. Good Luck ------------------ IP: Logged |
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TxCollegeguy Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 115) |
posted February 12, 2000 03:31 PM
Like DianaBallBusta I to am Catholic. Though I'm still waiting to start my first cycle I don't think it makes you a bad christian for doing it...Crap the Pope says it's bad to use Condoms and do you think most unmarried catholics have unsafe sex? I know it's not the same but what you have to examine is wether or not your beliefs really disagree with this... The way I see it...God has given us the tools and knowledge to develop drugs that can better our bodies. If he didn't want us to use them, then why would he give us the tools??? Just another question to ask yourself Keep Pumping IP: Logged |
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pauly7 Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 42) |
posted February 12, 2000 03:38 PM
studcj, what is it that you have read in the niv bible that makes you know that steroids are wrong. just wondering cuz you didnt back your statement up w/ anything. thanks for all your opinions they are very interesting. IP: Logged |
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Joseph_stalin Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 84) |
posted February 12, 2000 04:50 PM
the reality of the situation is this. you are confusing religious morality with legal and social issues. creatine and protein powder are just as unnatural as anabolics, but they aren't illegal and socially stigmitized. So you might be confusing legal and social views with your religious views. btw, kevin levrone is a christian too. he seems fine with it. i don't know how IP: Logged |
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vdevil Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 107) |
posted February 12, 2000 05:04 PM
Ah don't wory. I dont think it states anywhere in catholicism "though shall not take steroids", or does it? see ya in hell!  ------------------ [This message has been edited by vdevil (edited February 12, 2000).] IP: Logged |
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The Ranger Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 170) |
posted February 12, 2000 05:39 PM
I'm like you Devil Bro, If I go to Hell for steroids......WELL..if I got to fight fire...then I'll fight it!! Besides...Hell's where all my Iron Bro friends are gonna be anyway!! Talk Hard....Train Big!! Ranger IP: Logged |
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Ice Man Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 16) |
posted February 12, 2000 05:50 PM
I see no problem with it as long as it does not get addictive or is misused. Look at it the same way you look at alcohol. I happen to believe nothing is wrong with having a drink, provided it is kept in check. Good Luck, Make a decision and go with it! IP: Logged |
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big_bad_buff Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 146) |
posted February 12, 2000 06:13 PM
well i consider myself a christian. and pretty much anything you do now days is "BAD" do you think alcohol is bad? do you think saying "fuck" is bad? i don't get any of it. but if you find something about this subject in the bible, let me know. by the way...you guys don't need to act like ass holes to this guy...saying your going to hell, and you'll see us all there. if you suck satans dick, keep it to your self.... i know you guys don't want to here my veiws on religion, and i sure don't want to here yours...so let's keep this a body bulding board, not a flame but if we all start talking about religion, were all going to get pissed.........BBB IP: Logged |
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Heemaan445 Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 128) |
posted February 12, 2000 06:40 PM
let me go chug a few 6-packs then I'll be ready to hit this topic !!!
A good question to ask yourself is "would my lifestyle change if I met Jesus ?" To a "true,100%" believer it shouldnt, cause you "know" its all the truth....but to most of us we can atleast be honest about it...It would change my life bigtime !!! IP: Logged |
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The_Blond_Myth Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 60) |
posted February 12, 2000 07:14 PM
If you were living in Brazil, Spain, Portugal...etc. You would not feel guilty because steroids are not illegal there. I believe that god is ok with it as long as it doesn't consume you and make you feel as if you are a power and undependant of him. However, this is mostly the case with most bodybuilders, size becomes the most important thing in life, you just have to back up sometimes and decide what is more important in your life. LP IP: Logged |
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vdevil Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 107) |
posted February 12, 2000 07:51 PM
First of all, I can't believe that you would take a harmless, comment like I'll see you in hell as an attack on your religion. I thought you were smarter than that buff. I like alot of the things that you say on this board.I stated my opinion. I am not god fearing when it comes to a.s. When you post a comment, you are open to anything. This is a forum, isn't it? I was not trying to act like an asshole!!! I like everyone on the board, we all share one common goal. ------------------ [This message has been edited by vdevil (edited February 12, 2000).] IP: Logged |
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big_bad_buff Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 146) |
posted February 12, 2000 09:00 PM
vdevil, your right, that was pretty much my point. i think of myself as a christain, and other people have there own thing. i just wanted the guy who was asking for "CHRISTAN ADVICE" to go else were, maybe to a christian board, because you shouldn't be asking questions like that, when 95% of the awnseres he gets wont be from christians. i'm not here to piss you, or anyone else off. let's just keep this board on the right track, iron brothers, nothin less, nothin more.............BBB IP: Logged |
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phiend Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 178) |
posted February 12, 2000 09:17 PM
The Bible states that it is wrong to hinder one's rationality, but steroids do not do this. [This message has been edited by phiend (edited February 12, 2000).] IP: Logged |
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Nugent Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 10) |
posted February 12, 2000 09:29 PM
"Its not what goes into the body that defiles you ,but what comes out of the heart." Also,"All things are permissible,but not all things are profitable."Understanding the Grace of God changed my life and made sense out of the Bible. IP: Logged |
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A-mass Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 46) |
posted February 12, 2000 09:53 PM
Pauly7, The Catholic Church's Doctrine is a very distorted practice of Christianity. It got fucked time and again between the years of 1000-1800. If you sit down and study the actual scripture (and I have) you'll find that if the Christian lifestyle were really modeled after Christ's actions on Earth -- Christians would give away all that they own in an act of the Christian love, charity. Christians would submit themselves as servants to any other man, approach relationships with honesty and care, etc. Basically the concept of working to build strength and size just to be stronger and larger than another man is unChristian. It is a dream of power, it's selfish. So to answer your question, YES, steroids for the purpose we use them is against the following of Christ. However, from what I gather, you're not so focused on following Christ. Neither am I, though. We're both a couple of hypocrites to call ourselves Christian. If you need to justify steroid use in your own mind while still remaining an active member of the catholic church, just consider all the other sins you've justified in your mind. If you're so adherent to law, how can you live with yourself when you break the speed limit? Or just pick one of the seven deadly sins Pride you're probably guilty of it at some point or another in your life, but that doesn't bother you does it? Or consider the average Catholic and how immensely wealthy and well-off they are compared to the impoverished people around the world they WOULD be helping if they really were Roman Catholic Christians in their hearts. The truth is that very few of us follow that ideal. And it's all or none, my friend. There's no half-christian. If you're a hypocrite from one aspect -- cut as many corners as you'd like. IP: Logged |
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vdevil Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 107) |
posted February 12, 2000 10:01 PM
My thoughts exactly buff. I respect everything all the members have to say and I have learned soooo much from this board. Especially from guys like macro,e2,you,lobo,fe3,mods----all the elders. ------------------ IP: Logged |
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charlieman Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 36) |
posted February 12, 2000 10:17 PM
God bless roids IP: Logged |
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E2 Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 608) |
posted February 12, 2000 10:30 PM
So how was your workout today?? IP: Logged |
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filtheboss Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 125) |
posted February 12, 2000 10:35 PM
SON:!!!!! I ORDER YOU NOT TO TAKE SUSTANNON250.MG THERE IT MAY SAY FILTHEBOSS ON THE NAME BUT IT CAME FROM ABOVE. WISH WE HAD AUDIO ON THIS BOARD YOU WOULD HAVE HEARD IT YOURSELF. NOW DECIDE, WHAT WILL YOU DO? IP: Logged |
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kpumpin Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 105) |
posted February 12, 2000 10:52 PM
I am with a few others on this subject in which you shouldnt confuse mans laws and Gods laws. Do you think you are going to go to hell for speeding? kpumpin IP: Logged |
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Heemaan445 Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 128) |
posted February 12, 2000 10:54 PM
Ok, I had a few 6-packs, now I'm ready....!!!! Bllllph, (fart).....urrrgh...(berp).....thats about it !!! IP: Logged |
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Heemaan445 Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 128) |
posted February 12, 2000 11:08 PM
OK, for now, all I gotta say, If your gonna preach the bible, you better live by example..... IP: Logged |
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pauly7 Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 42) |
posted February 12, 2000 11:18 PM
Sorry if some of you think that my topic doesn't belong on this board, but it is a question about AS and Christianity. So I have to disagree with you on that. To the guy who said we were all using AS to bigger than the next guy I believe you got it all wrong, I'm personally considering it to make myself the best I can be. Just like taking a multi-vitamin, I don't take them to be healthier than anyone else, just using modern technology to live a healthier life. AS, used correctly can be even more benificial. Everyone is a sinner and will never be perfect. Just because you drink alcohol doesn't mean your not a christian, It only says in the bible drinking is wrong if you do it for the purpose of getting drunk. I really appreciate all the responses, they are all interesting some of you got some really good points, and some of you,well, have no point at all. But they are all still interesting. Thanks, keep em coming! IP: Logged |
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filtheboss Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 125) |
posted February 12, 2000 11:19 PM
YO HEEEEEEMAAAN HE WAS NOT PREACHING, BUT IT SURE LOOKS LIKE HE HAS HIS MIND MADE UP ALREADY. OVER TO YOU NOW, IP: Logged |
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Primo57 Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 193) |
posted February 12, 2000 11:31 PM
Let's look at it from a different angle: God gave man the capacity to synthesize cyclic compounds so why not use them; it would simply be a waste not to! Or perhaps, he is using us as a stepping stone upon which to design a superior organism; maybe it is simply a form of Darwinism - the strongest will survive?! Personally, I think virtue is intrinsic; I try to avoid entangling morality with dogma. IP: Logged |
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jorje Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 9) |
posted February 12, 2000 11:37 PM
I personally do not think it is unChristian to take steroids. The point of practicing religion is to come to peace with yourself and those in your community. Unless you are taking roids to kick everyone you sees ass, instead of using them to be the best you can be, there is nothing wrong or unChristian about juicin. Just be safe, lift hard, and be the biggest bastard at the pearly gates. IP: Logged |
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Heemaan445 Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 128) |
posted February 12, 2000 11:40 PM
I suppose I'm interested to see how this fella wants to "improve" his health and well being by use of "steriods"....... Steroids are a more dramatic form of "enhancing" a persons physique.....as for living a healthier life....possibly in small moderation if your deficient in some area.....!!! Other than that.......I WANT TO KNOW MORE WHAT YOUR GETTING AT !?!? IP: Logged |
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waiter Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 13) |
posted February 12, 2000 11:50 PM
I am a christian to bro. So heres what i think. I dont beleive in harming my body. I dont hav tatoos or peircings. I drink very seldom. Gear like alcohol if takin in small amounts aren't harmful to yur body. When You start taking dosages of gear to the point where its doing almost as much harm as good then it is wrong. i am doing my beginners cycle in late march. Keep the doses low with the milder type roids and you wont be doing any harm to your body. Eat large amounts of protein and eat as clean as You can and up your training intensity. this will help you acheive the best gains without doing any harm to your body. Take care Waiter IP: Logged |
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filtheboss Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 125) |
posted February 12, 2000 11:55 PM
IF YOU BELIEVE THAT GOD IS GOD: AND HAVE READ HIS WORD. THEN YOU KNOW THAT IT IS NOT WETHER WHAT YOU DO IS GOOD OR BAD. IT IS WHAT HE HAS ASKED YOU TO DO THAT REALLY COUNTS. THE SUBJECT HAS MANY FACETS AND NUMEROUS POSSIBLE RATIONAL ANSWERS. AGAIN LETS NOT JUSTIFY OURSELVES AND ELEVATE OUR REASONING TO THE POINT THAT NO CONTENTION OR CONCEIVABLE ACT IS WITHOUT CONSEQUENSE. LIVE AS YOU WILL, BUT YOU HAVE BEEN MADE AWARE. IP: Logged |
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A-mass Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 46) |
posted February 12, 2000 11:58 PM
I have to agree with Heeeman here. AS are not beneficial to a person's overall health unless you're a minority case that's using them for AIDS or a physical disability, or hormone replacement. Even if you disregard all the immediately physical side effects -- this is still not contributing to a person's overall well being. Don't get me wrong. I'm not against the use of AS -- I just don't think people should try to justify their use by saying they're doing it to be a better person. IP: Logged |
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JamesBlondage Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 16) |
posted February 13, 2000 12:00 AM
I wonder if we would be seeing this question if steroids were legal in our respective countries. I think not. Just because the goverment says it is evil doesnt mean it is. I am not religious myself but I do believe that half the stuff the goverment says is bad isnt...I mean seriously in some places the goverment says oral sex is evil....give me a break!!! IP: Logged |
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Heemaan445 Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 128) |
posted February 13, 2000 12:01 AM
hey, it just struck me.........what "ultimatly" do you want to achieve...?...a better body of course, but why..?....2 reasons.....pussy, and respect.... tell me some more... IP: Logged |
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