posted February 09, 2000 03:47 PM            

that would explain why dianabol and fina are considered good "stack" drugs. I know it sounds like i don't have a point but i do.

Adding more and more A.A.S. probably won't increase nitrogen balance. But combining drugs that promote positive nitrogen balance with drugs that are anti-catabolic should produce better results.
I heard of a guy that gained 38 lbs. on anadrol and fina. If they work they way i think (anadrol increasing nitrogen balance, building muscle. with fina preventing muscle breakdown) then should most cycles be a combination of one or two strong nitrogenic drugs (test, anadrol, etc.) and one or two anti-catabolic drugs (dianabol, fina, clen).

In the old days i think that finajet, combined with test was one of the best stacks possible. If you take more and more test then nothing will happen. there is a equal point where more won't do anything. But if fina has anti-catabolic, while test has anabolic properties, it would explain why people grew on that (one person said he gained 50 lbs. on fina, test, and dbol. But genetics was probably a large part or something).

anyway, anyone that can further this theory please try to. The point is that, perhaps we have only been using 1/2 our potential. we are focusing on what drugs build muscle, that we ignore what drugs prevent breakdown. Combining the two (test (builds)& dbol (prevents breakdown), anadrol (builds) & fina (prevents breakdown) should produce much better results than test & anadrol or dbol & fina).

posted February 09, 2000 05:15 PM            

as far as i can tell, in regards to AAS there are 3 capacities to look for

1. anabolic
2. anti-catabolic
3. capacity to bind to the receptor

deca and dianabol-for ex. combines an anabolic & anti-catabolic drug (dianabol) with a drug (deca) that binds to the receptor well. sysergenic. If you put insulin in the equation, because insulin works independent of the normal means that steroids work, you will gain even more muscle.

I'm not an expert, and i'm not trying to sound like i'm right all the time. But this is important. Combining the right drugs could work better than random guessing like we currently do.

posted February 09, 2000 05:26 PM         

The opposite of catabolic is ANABOLIC (i have no clue why you're using "anti-catabolic)

Certain roids are highly anabolic and have virtually no androgenic properties (ie primobolan, winstrol etc.)

posted February 09, 2000 06:37 PM            

Some people use dianabol or clen after they finish their cycle because they both are supposed to prevent muscle breakdown.

I don't know if they have a useful effect during cycle. since you might be in a continous positive nitrogen balance during cycle.

But if you aren't in a continous positive nitrogen balance, and during cycle people experience negative nitrogen balances, then dianabol, clen, or fina could prevent the breakdown of muscle during cycle. which would add to your total muscular gain.

posted February 10, 2000 03:00 AM            

1# Anabolic does not necessarily mean anti catabolic. anabolics may exibit anticatabolic effects inluding but not limited to blocking glucocorticoids from binding. anabolic typicaly refers to the ability of a chemical to increase protein synthesis, however this is actually a very limited and actually incorrect view. Estrogen is acutally quite "anabolic" with regard to fatty acid uptake and storage- it makes your fat grow.

#2 Anything that inhibits cellular breakdown is anti-catabolic- though it may not be anabolic. Glutamine is anticatabolic- it keep muscle cells from being broken down for the high glutamine content that they have- which is essential in many immune responses.

#3 there are many other systems which affect cellular growth, decay, replication, differentiation etc. many chemicals may have both so called "anabolic" and "catabolic" properties.

Point being there are substances which are "anti-catabolic"