posted February 09, 2000 03:49 AM            

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What is the most catabolic time for a bodybuilder: sleep !I wonder if i should take a protein shake during sleep to prevent catabolism. Also I wonder how long I actually should sleep? I always try to get 8 hours..what about u ???
Please excuse my damn english...

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posted February 09, 2000 07:15 AM         

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When I go to sleep I just hook up an IV and have constant protein runnin through my veins.

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posted February 09, 2000 08:51 AM            

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Hey bro,
Get the rest, at least 8 hrs, don't go over 10 hrs, drink your protien during the day. Try to get at least 1gm per pound of body weight. I would not take it during your sleep period, if it contains sugars it may interupt your sleep. They say take a couple cat naps during the day if you can, but I don't know about that. It takes time but you will get it down.

Life is too short to be small!

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posted February 09, 2000 09:10 AM            

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If you are drinking as much water as you should, you will get up in the middle of the night to go to the bathroom. This is the perfect opportunity to have a protein shake. Do this for a few weeks and I guarantee you will see a difference. stay big

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posted February 09, 2000 11:20 AM            

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I find that by eating protein when I wake up at night, actually wakes me up. I think that is because my blood sugar rises and raises my metabolism. So I avoid it until I am ready to get up.

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posted February 09, 2000 04:20 PM            

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Being all the stupid one can be I did a little experiment, (don�t ask me where I got the idea) I ate the whites of five hard boiled eggs without chewing them to much, and when I woke up, I whent to the bathroom, drank some water and threw up to see I had diggested the wites completly...

The wites from the hard boiled eggs had not completely been diggested, so that leaves me to think that a little amount of protein had been fed during my sleep.

Bump this up if you don�t agree with me on this being one of the most stupid ideas I�ve had this week.

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posted February 09, 2000 05:00 PM            

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NBK
actually I aggree with you to a certain extent but lets review

Drink raw eggs. (shut the fuck up FDA!) After hundreds of raw eggs without the instance of Salmonella I concluded that either I'm immune or super lucky!

Raw eggs because the protein takes even longer to break down(digest).

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posted February 09, 2000 05:09 PM         

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The problem with eggs is that you shit out some of the protein, hence the invention of Whey shakes. Since your body recovers and repairs itself mostly during sleep, I always thought it made sense to drink a shake before bed. I never had a problem with not being able to sleep, but then again I can take 4 Hydroxycuts and take a nap five minutes later. Must be a clear conscience

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posted February 09, 2000 05:10 PM            

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Yes,Dev is rite, I have read that drinking protien shake before bed is not as good as eating say meat or egg protein. your asking why ?, well the drinks get assimilated quicker into the system, which yes(if loaded with sugar)can throw your blood levels outta wack, Meat and eggs, digest must slower giving a steadier protein enrichment throughout the nite.

MEAT, ITS WHATS FOR DINNER !!!

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posted February 09, 2000 05:38 PM            

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Dumb question here, NBK, but what was the point of not chewing the eggwhites? I mean... cool experiment and all... but... uhhhh... chewing usually happens when eating, you know?

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posted February 09, 2000 06:22 PM            

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The protein factory has a nighttime formula which is based a casinate (sp) protein. This was at one time a very popular protein (years ago) but lost favor due to whey's "better" assimilation. What in fact happens is that whey is absorbed quicker, while casinate protein takes much longer to enter the blood stream and is only digested in the small intestine (for the most part) Now this is VERY beneficial if your not going to be eating for the next six/eight hours. As the slower digesting process insures a more constant and even flow of protein is being fed to the muscles. Now it ain't the best tasting, but I'll do one of these on hard workout nights and think it has been worth every nasty drink.

Late

Lobo

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posted February 09, 2000 07:02 PM         

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i agree with the advice about drinking anough water that you have to get up in the middle of the night, sounds like a excellent idea

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posted February 09, 2000 07:52 PM            

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This may sound idiotic, but I keep a mini-fridge in my bathroom filled with canned tuna.

I get up during the night to piss (water intake..) and eat a can.

Get in where you fit in.

Matt

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posted February 09, 2000 08:26 PM         

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Matt, you are the most dedicated bodybuilder I have ever come into contact with. Cans of tuna in the bathroom takes the cake.

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posted February 09, 2000 08:53 PM            

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in an attempt to answer the most catabolic time would be right when you are working out because you would be tearing micro bits of muscle tissue and even though testosterone levels are rising during the session tissue needs to rest and absorb protein in order to repair itself, but if you want to try turkey
as your last meal of the day it is good for that because it has tryptophan or you may be able to use some in supplement form, i haven't been following close lately but the last i had heard it was banned for some reason but it didn't have to do with tryptophan it had to do the way a certain company made it.

sleeeeeeeeeeeeeppppp

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posted February 09, 2000 11:14 PM         

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How about cottage cheese, or a casein-based protein mixture from protein factory. Both
have slower rates of bioabsorption.

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posted February 10, 2000 08:43 AM            

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Big Bro if we really don�t chew too much on the hard boiled egg, our body has to break it down in the stomach before even starting the digetion process...

Isn�t it true that an egg based protein drink is abrorbed more quickly than a hard boiled egg for example. Im not telling you I swallow it withought chewing, I�m saying I�m just not chewing it to much, i.e. only moderate size lupms go down my throat.

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posted February 10, 2000 11:20 AM            

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I agree that one of the most crucial time of catobolism is probably right after a work out when your body is just irking to secrete coritisol. I always knock off about 100g of simple sugars and some protein right afterward. As far as sleep goes, I like to sleep all night uninteruppted, so I cut my water intake about 2hours before I go to bed, but I will have a protein drink right before bed, a good protein should be low enough in sugar that it wont effect your sleeping habits anyhow.

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posted February 10, 2000 11:37 AM            

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LOOKING AT THE *NEXT* NUTRITION DESIGNER WHEY PRODUCT(WHICH IS THE ONE I USE)IT HAS ONLY ONE GRAM OF SUGAR PER SCOOP, WHICH IS = TO 17 GRAMS OF PROTEIN AND THAT ISNT A LOT OF SUGAR IF YOU CONSIDER THAT ONE CUP OF 1% MILK HAS ABOUT 12 GRAMS OF SUGAR, WHICH MAKES ME WONDER WHY SOME PEOPLE SAY "DRINK SOME WARM MILK AND YOULL SLEEP BETTER!"

OH WELL, IT DOES YOUR BODY GOOD?

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