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chestyII Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 43) |
posted February 08, 2000 07:55 PM
  
Does anyone have the problem of not being able to sleep for more than 2-3 hours at a time before waking up? I have tried melatonin, it has zero affect on me. This is frustrating because I can't get a deep sleep that is needed for recuperation. IP: Logged |
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E2 Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 455) |
posted February 08, 2000 08:06 PM
Try ghb heh heh E2 IP: Logged |
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big_bad_buff Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 120) |
posted February 08, 2000 08:06 PM
i was going to say try melatonin. i take 2 when i can't sleep at night,( chew them up and swallow em) or i crush them up and pack em in my lip like chewing tobaco. it will get into your blood very fast. but you might have trouble getting up early the next day......or just have white shit on your pellow...LOL IP: Logged |
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chestyII Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 43) |
posted February 08, 2000 08:10 PM
I use liquid melatonin, I have taken up to 4times the recomended dosage and had zero effect. Something must be amiss, yet all my physicals and such are quite normal in fact quite boring. Wonder what the Doctor might say? IP: Logged |
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DianaBallBusta Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 69) |
posted February 08, 2000 08:58 PM
Have you ever tried Nyquil? That stuff works wonders on me. Has alcohol in it though. No big deal unless your an alcoholic. But alot more than the recommended dosage might put you in happy land...ya know with the fairies and stuff. IP: Logged |
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oversized Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 22) |
posted February 08, 2000 09:10 PM
are you taking any form of caffine after 2:00pm i learned that if you take caffine after 2:00pm it will screw with your ability to sleep. also are you taking any naps in the after noon that are longer than a half hour if so that will also give you troubles. try to fix the problem naturally. You don't want to become dependent on GHB or meletonin. Sorry guys not trying step on any toes just want to say all the talk of steroids sometimes gets me to believin that you need to take something for every problem. Like i said not trying to preach just want to promote healthy living oversized IP: Logged |
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Heemaan445 Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 74) |
posted February 08, 2000 09:27 PM
yeah, I've just started tampering with the melatonin, and it isnt doing shit for me....tonight I try shooting two loads, 2 melatonins, 1 large warm milk, a fan and a comfortable pillow.....??????.....when this doesnt work....I might go see a doc...really.....insomnia sucks.....if you find something that works, do share..!! IP: Logged |
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Primo57 Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 128) |
posted February 08, 2000 09:43 PM
I am a bonified insomniac aswell, I use to rely heavily on GHB, but had a very scary experience with it...so I made an appointment with a doc...and he wrote me a script, no questions asked, for a kick ass product called Sonata. It works just as well as GHB, and it is cheaper. IP: Logged |
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fuknguns Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 14) |
posted February 08, 2000 10:43 PM
Hey bro, Go to www.Renewtrientstore.com and order a couple of bottles of the renewtrient pills. One bottle should last you about a month or so. You will have nothing but good deep sleep. Take around 6 capsules(depending on body weight). If you have any questions or want further info, email me. [email protected].
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fuknguns Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 14) |
posted February 08, 2000 10:43 PM
Hey bro, Go to www.Renewtrientstore.com and order a couple of bottles of the renewtrient pills. One bottle should last you about a month or so. You will have nothing but good deep sleep. Take around 6 capsules(depending on body weight). If you have any questions or want further info, email me. [email protected].
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Fe3 Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 190) |
posted February 08, 2000 10:45 PM
Try some Benedryl. Works really well. IP: Logged |
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chestyII Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 43) |
posted February 09, 2000 09:22 AM
You know, I do use nyquil and it does seem to make me sleep better at night. I have found that my caffeine intake does not affect me either. I wish that it was that simple. Not sleeping more than 2-3 hours at a whack sucks. IP: Logged |
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Platinum Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 9) |
posted February 09, 2000 09:49 AM
Do you go to the gym at night or morning? If I go at night I feel so pumped that I can't get to bed right away and wake up every couple of hours. Try benadryl, it works relatively well for a while. You might have to go for something that is a little stronger. Usually diet can be a cause too. Watch caffeine and thermogenic supplements (if you take them). Platinum IP: Logged |
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chestyII Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 43) |
posted February 09, 2000 09:56 AM
Yes I go at night and during the day and do take thermogenics. I find that even when I am not doing any of the above the same thing happens. In fact, I usually get tired around 9 in the morning, perk up around noon, and around 9 get tired, but the second I lay down and cut the lights I can't fall asleep and if I do it is only for 2 hours or so at a time. All good advice, I have even tried benydryl. Maybe I should just hit myself with a bat every night. IP: Logged |
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WarLobo Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 131) |
posted February 09, 2000 10:23 AM
I use the Melatonin, but at 20mg. Yes 20mg. Mel is a hormone and is quite effective when used in "correct" amount. As you get older we stop producing this so you go figure. And two, three or even four mg is far from the amount you would produce say as a child - remember them deep sleeps!?! I could crash for a good 10 hours NO PROB. Mel is completely safe and is not addicting so maybe give it a try at this dosages - I do and have been thankful ever since. Late Lobo IP: Logged |
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devrimbal Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 35) |
posted February 09, 2000 10:24 AM
Chesty, Stop taking thermogenics and stop working out at night. I was doing exactly the same thing and had exactly the same sysmptoms. Finally I quit. It will take about 2 weeks before your system clears out. In addition the girls I used to sleep with would say that my body heat is really high and I could lie down naked while they were cuddling in blankets. I know this is not the place, but my advice is; try to be natural. ProHormone formulas will also get you wired if taken late at night. Do not take vitamin C before going to bed, instead take some magnesium (400mg) that will relax you naturally. Another thing, most growth hormone is released within the first 2 hours of sleep. So you shouldn't be concerned about not growing, but regardless full rest is important. ------------------ IP: Logged |
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chestyII Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 43) |
posted February 09, 2000 10:38 AM
Unfortunately I have to work out at night. Don't get off work till about 6pm. I am going to try 20mg of melatonin tonight see how that does. If it doesn't I don't know then. I do have the same comments about my body heat. But I had that even when I wasn't on any thermogenics like Xenadrine. If the increased melatonin doesn't work I will start cutting back on thermogenics, I think it is the aerobics that elevate my metabolism to the point where it just burns fat or whatever like a nuclear reaction. Good feedback from everyone I like it all. keep it coming
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MattTheSkywalker Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 126) |
posted February 09, 2000 11:38 AM
Chesty, This sounds stupid but are you completely comfortable with the temperature of the room? Sometimes if it's just a little too warm, my sleep gets all f**ked up. Are there any fans or air blowing on you or anything - that can screw it up too. Just make sure the environment is conducive to sleep - I know you were in the Marines so you've probably slept in shit conditions - I did the same in the Army and now that those days are over, I try to create a perfect sleep environment. Just a thought. Matt IP: Logged |
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chestyII Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 43) |
posted February 09, 2000 11:52 AM
I try to keep it around 68. I find if it is too warm I can't sleep very well. I have a fan in the background, not blowing on me use for white noise and it is completely dark. I wonder if I have some hidden stress problem I am unaware of. Will let everyone know how first part of experiment goes with 20 mg of melatonin. Going to change one thing at a time to determine what affects me. IP: Logged |
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Adonis Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 150) |
posted February 09, 2000 11:57 AM
yeah chesty, when Im on a cycle I have a hard time sleeping, and even grind my teeth at nite, really sucks, I wake up with a sore jaw. Anyway, I have taken the sleepytime tea, with chamamiel <spelling> it helps. IP: Logged |
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ASSFACE Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 30) |
posted February 09, 2000 12:06 PM
ASSFACE FEELS THAT WITH THE PROPER USE OF EPHEDRINE AND CAFFEINE, SLEEP BECOMES AN OPTION RATHER THAN A REQUIREMENT. THE BEST WAY TO FALL ASLEEP IS TO SMASH IT. SMASH IT TWICE IF ONCE DOESNT RESULT IS SLEEP. ASSFACE HAS SPOKEN. ASSFACE NEEDS A NAP. SMAcK SMAcK SMAcK SMAcK SMAcK SMAcK SMAK SMAcK SMAcK SMAcK SMAcK SMAcK ugh ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ................ ------------------ IP: Logged |
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WarLobo Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 131) |
posted February 09, 2000 02:23 PM
Give the mel a few days to stabilize your levels. Man I hope this works for you. Also I got to think them thermos are a contributing factor. One other thing I do is after my night (evening) workout I'll slam a protein/recovery drink, wait about a hour and eat. Shit, in 30 min. after a good meal my eye lids refuse to stay open. And sometimes I'll take a hot shower, yes hot, right before bed to help relax (helps acne too). When you come out the everything is nice and cool - compared to the hot water. So there ya have it. Late Lobo IP: Logged |
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chestyII Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 43) |
posted February 09, 2000 02:31 PM
Cool dudes, I am ready to sleep for 8 freaken' hours straight! I do find that when I go to the hot tub or steam room I get sleepy, Unfortunately 10 minutes after I eat I wake up. Will keep ya updated. IP: Logged |
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E2 Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 455) |
posted February 09, 2000 02:36 PM
As warlobo said, after a good meal he's has a hard time keeping awake, mainly because of the proteins increasing serotonin levels in the brain, you can always take one of my favorites L-Tryptophan 5gms before bed, will put you out like a light. As well if taken on an empty stomach will increase your gh secretions. E2 IP: Logged |
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Bigmephisto Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 66) |
posted February 09, 2000 02:41 PM
Hey Bros! Im with everyone else, try to cut back on the thermogenics. Also, I have heard of an herb called Valarian root, it is the active ingrediant in valume( a tranquilizer). I am not saying that I have any personal experiance with this stuff, just that I have heard that it will make you sleep like a rock. Anyone got any input on this stuff? IP: Logged |
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chestyII Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 43) |
posted February 09, 2000 02:43 PM
What about mixing tryptophan with melatonin? I have heard of the herb Valerian, maybe I'll try that next. IP: Logged |
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cpsbigdaddy Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 34) |
posted February 09, 2000 02:47 PM
Benedryl! Works wonders for me. But about eating, you dont want ttosleep on a full stomach if you are training.Good idea but, i recommmend finding a women to wear you out...... Thats the best responce your gonna get. B.Daddy IP: Logged |
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tray renfro Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 127) |
posted February 09, 2000 02:53 PM
nyquil, dont buy the store brands though. i bought some once and would wake up in the middle of the night really energized. ------------------ IP: Logged |
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WarLobo Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 131) |
posted February 09, 2000 07:20 PM
Hey! Where do you get the L-Tryptophan? Late Lobo IP: Logged |
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MattTheSkywalker Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 126) |
posted February 09, 2000 07:32 PM
Just curious about this - I went through something very personal and very stressful a few months back - and my sleep was shot - I mean I couldn't fall asleep for shit. It go to the point that I could only sleep if I got drunk. I am not advocating this by any means. My training went shitty, fast - I lost 20 pounds...I really couldn't eat either. That was due to the stress as well. I noticed though, that when I did sleep, it was for a few hours, and then I would be wide awake for hours.....I mean absolutely wired....even at 3:00 AM. Then finally I would sleep again, hours later. I don't want to worry you or anything.....just wondering how you feel when you wake up in the middle of the night - are you able to fall asleep pretty soon, or are you 100% awake? One last point: My situation got better with time, and now I have re-gained the weight and sleep fine. Wishing you the same. Matt IP: Logged |
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Heemaan445 Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 74) |
posted February 09, 2000 10:35 PM
20 mg of melatonin....shit, thats......hmmmm [3mg(melatonin)/pill x 7 pills= 21mg melatonin....] The mel I have is 10 mg of Vit-B-6 amd 3mg mel..... Great sex....(well alot) helps me sleep.....even though I'm married I dont get it every night....(thats probably why) IP: Logged |
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Dr.Atlas Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 38) |
posted February 09, 2000 11:24 PM
Hey bro I just eat turkey for my late-night snack. It's like falling asleep on Thanksgiving afternoon every night. Get huge ------------------ IP: Logged |
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Platinum Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 9) |
posted February 09, 2000 11:25 PM
Here is what I would do. Get up at 4:30-5:30 am and get in the gym. Train hard (this is obvious). Eat well all day except for about 2-3 hours before bed. Take your thermogenics early in the day and do not drink coffee after 3pm. The main thing is to keep active. After a couple of days you should be sleeping like a log. If this doesn't work, then you might consider taking a sleeper like Restoril (temazepam), Valium (diazepam), Sonata, Soma, etc. They will put you to sleep but you might feel groggy in the morning. That is my $0.02 IP: Logged |
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Heemaan445 Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 74) |
posted February 09, 2000 11:41 PM
WARLOBO.... R U taking the 7 pills all at once..? IP: Logged |
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chestyII Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 43) |
posted February 10, 2000 10:01 AM
Well, I tried 20mg melatonin last night and a shot of nyquil. Only slept for 2.5 hours, woke up, body felt like a limp noodle, then went back to sleep for another 3. Not under any excess stress (no more than usual) Even when I was with the girl of my dreams, I didn't sleep well. I seem to dream all night. I wonder if I am not getting past rem sleep? Keep you posted on the melatonin. What happens if you get too much? IP: Logged |
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WarLobo Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 131) |
posted February 10, 2000 01:00 PM
Nothing, I'm not even sure you can OD on it. And Sometimes I'll take about half of them about an hour before bed and then the rest right before. I've also read that aspirin and anti-flamatories will also disrupt rem sleep. One other tid bit on info. I have a friend who has a friend who treats disruptive life habits and such. Like people who are afraid to fly, or drive cars. One of his most successful treatments is to reinforce a negative result from performing a "bad habit" Say someone gets totally nervous and can't handle driving on a free way. Mostly women have this "fear". So he starts them out by driving when there is very little traffic and as soon as their "nerves" become to much and they start to panic, he makes them pull over to the side of the road and do push ups until they can't do them. It can be very physically draining - and somewhat embarrassing. This is continued until your "inner" person associates getting nervous with having to do push ups (which most women hate) so the body figures out that to keep from have to do push ups, just remain calm. So maybe you should try doing something you hate when you can't fall a sleep say after 30 min. or if you wake up after two hours. Now I bet your not one for washing dishes. So make your self do the dishes. Or clean the toilet every time you wake up. This has a fancy name but I can't remember, but the conversations with this guy are funny as shit when he tells us over a few bears on what he makes people do to change their habits. But the good thing is that it really works and people who have followed his treatment have such good success without the use of meds. This is assuming their not in any way chemically imbalanced to start with - he checks that first. Just a thought. I did this for a week and no shit, now I fall asleep in like five min. Wife hates it cause sometimes I snore way to loud. But some how I still have to do the dishes - go figure :p Late Lobo IP: Logged |
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Heemaan445 Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 74) |
posted February 10, 2000 01:05 PM
I took some kind of prescription shit I got from my dad last night....not sure if it worked cause I took it at 3am, and wasnt out for at least another hour...???....and that might have been from regular tiredness.... I dont have to go out to work tonight, so i;m going to give those pills another try...if they work I'll be sure to post it.. IP: Logged |
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E2 Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 455) |
posted February 10, 2000 01:11 PM
It's called negative reinforcement conditioning, anyways, you can get L-tryptophan from any great amino supplier in japan! Woohoo great! If anyone knows any send me a list, other than that you can go to your doc, tell him you're having trouble sleeping and you want something for it, tell him you're all NATURAL, heh heh, and you don't like taking drugs, that your friend took tryptophan and it worked for him, you'll get a script and hey it's covered if you have insurance!! IP: Logged |
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