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Rock_Man Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 22) |
posted February 08, 2000 03:43 PM
  
One of my closest friends found out I was on a cycle and he said that I was being really stupid and taking a big risk with my health. Now am I wrong in saying how is that different from you when you smoke and constantly drink! Your taking just as big of a risk with your health by smoking and drinking as anyone who does roids. Just because the Gov. permits smoking doesn't mean that it makes it any more right to do it especially with the warnings that are explicity labeled to them. To me that is hypocracy on his part but I know he is not alone in the way of his thinking. Am I right or am I missing something? What do you guys think? IP: Logged |
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macrophage69alpha Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 387) |
posted February 08, 2000 03:51 PM
I would say that you are right on target- look how many people die becuase of alcohol and smoking- I am talking long and short run- for driving- OD or drunk driving- How can this even compare to AS. sure there is potential for abuse of AS, but I dont even think its comparable to those two. ------------------ IP: Logged |
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BigPowers Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 21) |
posted February 08, 2000 03:51 PM
I agree with you totally. Everyone has what they consider ok, and not ok. I said this before, I have friends that will do any drug, but bash on people doing roids. Or my alcoholic bros who bash on the tweeks. Whos right who's wrong it's all a matter of opinion. I've destroyed my body enouph, I definately don't look down on nobody for nothin. IP: Logged |
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scourge1 Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 20) |
posted February 08, 2000 03:52 PM
Just ask your friend to tell you the last time some died from AS abuse. Or when a pro bodybuilder had a liver transplant. The ask him how many times he's heard of people dying from smoking side affects. Now, don't get me wrong there is no correlation between the two, this isn't a comparison, its a contrast. Then tell him this, there are 700,000 doctors in the US. And accidental medical deaths totalled 250,000...so more than 1 in two doctors have been involved in a patient who has died from their mistakes. Odds are better that your doctor will kill you than AS killing you. IP: Logged |
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big_bad_buff Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 115) |
posted February 08, 2000 03:59 PM
I LOVE READING POSTS LIKE THESE... IP: Logged |
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shaonuff Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 68) |
posted February 08, 2000 04:09 PM
another thing to tell him is when you take your steroids....the only person you are putting "at risk" is yourself. when people smoke and drink alchol they are putting everyone they are around at risk!! IP: Logged |
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Wasted_Youth Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 7) |
posted February 08, 2000 04:31 PM
I feel that roids are a complicated issue. Most people who are all for the juice would draw the line somewhere. Children? Pregnant moms? Somewhere there has to be a line drawn. And lets be really honest here, it CANNOT be left up to the ordinary guy. Have you ever noticed how many really stupid people you run into everyday?? Make a list, you'll have a good 40-50 names by the end of the day. Or try this; think of how stupid the average person is, and then realize, half of em, are stupider than that!! What I'm saying is, in a way, its good that roids are illegal, because it keeps (sometimes) the dumbfucks from getting ahold of em. It also makes those of us who do use em more likely to learn as much as we can about them and be responsible. I'm all for ME using roids, beyond that, I can't say. I do want them to stay illegal but I will still do them and see nothing wrong with them. Keeping them illegal I think helps to weed out people who have no business messing with em. I guess I got a little off topic. So very sorry. and that is my oh-so-valuable opinion. IP: Logged |
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jc21 Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 58) |
posted February 08, 2000 04:35 PM
I agree with you man. Atleast we dont hurt other people with what we do. And not to mention we look good while doing it. I dont know about you guys but i am working towards a goal with this stuff. what are they working towards , three packs a day and how many other people they can give cancer to. Those hypicriticle bastards. IP: Logged |
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Adonis Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 117) |
posted February 08, 2000 04:36 PM
Rock, your rite on the money, its hypocrytical to state such un-informed views. Its really too as many of are family and friends have these and are so miss-informed about these substances. Drive On. IP: Logged |
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macrophage69alpha Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 387) |
posted February 08, 2000 04:43 PM
I agree that some people proabably should not take AS because they are not prepared or dont understand the implications. But I certainly dont think that they should be illegal and the fact that they are criminal ( and this goes for all drugs not just AS) is a crime against rational society and an imposition of punishment for "moral" violations. The sad eefect of such legislation is that over half the population in our prisons are there for drugs/drug related offenses- did we not learn from prohibition? That being said taking AS is a complicated subject, kind of like driving, though perhaps a little more complicated- that as such a complicated endeavor perhaps you should have to meet a minimally proficient understanding of the topic before you get your "STEROID USE LICENSE". I know that this sounds far fetched but I like it as a concept. If you were not willing to learn yourself you could go to a specialist- with a higher certification that could lay out a cycle and all the risks/benefits so you could make a relatively informed choice without having to learn it yourself- though I find this latter approach somewhat lazy I am not opposed to it- some people just dont have the time for everything. ------------------ IP: Logged |
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E2 Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 381) |
posted February 08, 2000 04:44 PM
I'll have to agree with you all. it really is unfortunate that most people are so uneducated about steroids, doctors included. It really pissed me off when people open their mouths and talk about subjects that they know nothing about. Smoking and drinking i'll assure you are more harful to your body then properly taken steroids. I think you're right in thinking that steroids are at the very least no worse than smoking and drinking. E2 IP: Logged |
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Formula Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 11) |
posted February 08, 2000 04:57 PM
I moderation "juice" will not hurt you but taking 5000mg a week trying to get your pro-card will put you in the hospital faster than a protein fart. IP: Logged |
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Rock_Man Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 22) |
posted February 08, 2000 05:05 PM
Thanx bro's, It's good to hear everyones opinion and to know that I am not alone in my thoughts on this subject. ------------------ IP: Logged |
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giantset Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 27) |
posted February 08, 2000 05:46 PM
I think that the gov. shouldn't regulate what a person decides to put in their body. When is the line drawn on their overregulation. They up the taxes on cigaretts, guns, beer. What is next, chocolate? Many things people consume are bad for them. As long as they know the consequenses, let them do what they want. The government should focus on education and not regulation. If someone is too dumb to learn about something before he takes it, then I say let them suffer. It is time to thin the heard! Later, IP: Logged |
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giantset Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 27) |
posted February 08, 2000 05:48 PM
I think that the gov. shouldn't regulate what a person decides to put in their body. When is the line drawn on their overregulation. They up the taxes on cigaretts, guns, beer. What is next, chocolate? Many things people consume are bad for them. As long as they know the consequenses, let them do what they want. The government should focus on education and not regulation. If someone is too dumb to learn about something before he takes it, then I say let them suffer. It is time to thin the heard! Later, IP: Logged |
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snowflake Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 64) |
posted February 08, 2000 06:08 PM
i dis agree with shaonuff!!! he says that its only your self your risking not people around . thats wrong u get agressiv on AS (in the way of normal people sees on AS users. they who use AS are seen on as a ticking bomb. !!! ever thought of that.. ? Are you guys really so cool...? IP: Logged |
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Dr.Atlas Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 31) |
posted February 08, 2000 07:40 PM
Fact is, the constitution denies the government all powers not expressly given. And America is still based on the constitution. Yeah right. I agree with most of the posts here in that AS are relatively harmless substances far less dangerous than many things our government condones. Sure, some guys can't handle it, but hell I met a guy who would down 16oz of over-the-counter cough syrup at a time, and was in ICU for liver damage from it. It is unfortunate than bodybuilders will never be much of a political force, despite being such a tight-knit community. Fact is that it takes far too much motivation to BB than most people will ever have. I think it is good to feel outrage over what we all consider wrongful persecution. But let's remember that things probably won't change for many years, and in the meantime all we can do is look out for our brothers. Peace ------------------ IP: Logged |
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BigBrute Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 12) |
posted February 08, 2000 07:56 PM
bottom line, steroids represent the unknown to the majority of the population and that's where the fear comes from. Then add in the fact that some steroids are administered with pins and that really blows the lid off for most people who don't understand the difference between interveinous and intermuscular needle use. having said that I could NEVER understand the hypocrisy of people like Al Gore and George W. Bush who have admitted to chronic marijuana use, while at the same time they are charged with enforcing laws that throw young kids in jail, destroy lives and careers for doing the exact same thing???? Makes no sense! IP: Logged |
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bad brains Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 35) |
posted February 08, 2000 08:28 PM
Freedom of choice bros, Smoking and drinking, to me anyway (done them both), cannot be compared with a.s.. At least you are trying to improve your body be it for what ever reason. I think there is too much of a negative stigma place on steroid use. If they were as bad as the FDA(jerks) wanted you to beleive there would be a bunch of homies dropping like flies.Just my opinion. IP: Logged |
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scourge1 Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 20) |
posted February 08, 2000 08:31 PM
I don't feel any reason to limit someone's choice, if they are pregnant and dumb enough to be on AS, so be it. Free agency is what makes democracy great. But since AS's are a class III drug anyway, its a rather moot point to argue who can and can't have them. IP: Logged |
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chestyII Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 17) |
posted February 08, 2000 08:38 PM
I agree with all above except for legalizing all drugs. Case in point. If you take a group of body builders\atheletes in general when they take a supplement or as it is to improve their performance and there health. They are, we are very health concsious. The flip side is those who take drugs such as crack, meth, downers, heroin, pretty quickly give up caring about their healt in fact I have seen many a crack and meth addict and they are so frail and sickly that it is scary to see what a human body can endure. Now abuse of anything good or bad will kill you. Sex can kill you if you abuse it, (aids, syphillis, etc) Yes it is a moral dilema, And some moral issues have more validity than others. But alas even for me my above statements are based on a moral beliief. Unfortunately, the bodybuilding comunity will never really be understood until we do something about it. IP: Logged |
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MattTheSkywalker Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 110) |
posted February 08, 2000 08:54 PM
Most people that are totally against AS are simply uninformed. So they just go with what is the popular opinion, which is "AS are bad, period". Knowledge is power. That's what is so great about this board. I like Macro's idea of a steroid specialist....perhaps farfetched but good in theory. Also to Chesty (aka ChestyII), I understand what you mean about your objection to legalizing all drugs. I too have seen, up close and much too personal, what a cocaine addict can do to herself.....scary. But that's with the stuff being illegal. I believe that if we legalized AS and other drugs, and made info more available, you would see less of a stigma attahced th steroids, and less abouse of "recreational" drugs. Matt IP: Logged |
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bigg_boy24 Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 5) |
posted February 08, 2000 09:27 PM
right with ya...hear the same shit from people im with but dont get it up to try some help in the gym...the way i see it is what other drug out there can you do for years and not die...if it were that terrible these pro body builders out there would be droppin like flies IP: Logged |
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The_Blond_Myth Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 37) |
posted February 08, 2000 09:30 PM
I thought steroids were safe until my blood pressure went through the roof today, along with my heart rate which is 100-120. LP IP: Logged |
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xrciseink Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 56) |
posted February 08, 2000 11:04 PM
Yup. IP: Logged |
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shaonuff Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 68) |
posted February 09, 2000 12:35 AM
you know what's funny? i got a friend that smokes weed every day. drops acid, x, and all kinds of other crap. i told him i am on a cycle of steroids and he told me "don't do it, that shit will kill ya" HAHAHAHAHA
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shaonuff Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 68) |
posted February 09, 2000 12:37 AM
snowflake: how many people have died as a direct cause of roid rage? now tell me how many people have died from lung cancer, alcholism, and drunk drivers. get the picture? IP: Logged |
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TxCollegeguy Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 32) |
posted February 09, 2000 01:44 AM
Even though I agree with what people are saying Dr Atlas you are right about what the Constitution says but a few clauses that most people don't know or look over in the constitution for ex: The neccessary and proper clause, which justifies why the govt can pase any law they deem neccessary and proper inorder to excute any law with standing or laws created by executive orders, and by administrative agencies...Or look at the commerce clause which includes all forms of bus. That's why business have less rights then a single person. I have a test on Wed over this stuff thats why I know...LOL... So the FDA says that caffeine, alcohol, and nicotine are ok but gear isn't...Go figure... I'd be willing to bet there are more caffeine addicts in the U.S. then there are any of the others I just mentioned...Anyone think I'm wrong...LOL just giving you guys a hard time...but I think it has to make people think about what "OUR" So called 3 branches of govt care about... IP: Logged |
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Iron Mike Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 2) |
posted February 09, 2000 02:33 AM
You are right. I have had a tendency to drink too much and live like I didn't want to. I KNOW it is much better for me to take a sensible cycle, eat well and exercise than it is to live like that. I'm sure most guys on gear are a helluva lot healthier than those who criticise it. IronMike IP: Logged |
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david3 Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 39) |
posted February 09, 2000 05:14 AM
Shaonuff said it all. My mom tells me the same things about riods, yet as much as I love her she smokes like a train. There is risk in everything in life. For that reason alone is why we are on this board together. DB IP: Logged |
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2 Big Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 4) |
posted February 09, 2000 05:50 AM
I knew a friend who was told that roids are very dangerous, while that guy was sniffing coke while he told this... IP: Logged |
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