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Fe3 Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 175) |
posted February 08, 2000 02:49 PM
  
Gamma Hydroxybutyrate or ghb was tested for the use as an anesthetic 30 years ago and was rejected, in part ecause it was linked to grand mal and petite mal siezures.In 1990 this drug appeared in health food stores as an anabolic supplement and diet aid.During a 5 month period in 1990, 16 cases of SEVRERE reactions and even DEATH were treated in San fransisco ALONE.Symptoms included confusion, hallucination,siezures, coma and even DEATH at doses from 0.25tsp to 4 tbsp. Frederic H. Martini PHD Fundementals of medicine in a clinical setting. IP: Logged |
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macrophage69alpha Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 376) |
posted February 08, 2000 03:23 PM
hmm that interesting since it is an FDA approved drug now- for the treatment of narcolepsy- I know becuase a friend of mine has a script for it. GHB is used in other countries to treat depression and alcholism. what you have posted is a piece of government propaganda. sorry but thats the real truth BTW- GHB does not cause seizures, what is causes is parkinsonian like shakes because of the lack of dopamine between the receptors. though it looks very much like a seizure it is not- nor are there any after effects of such shakes as there would be with a true seizure. ------------------ IP: Logged |
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Rock_Man Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 21) |
posted February 08, 2000 03:30 PM
Kewl info MP. I beleive your right. That's just my opinion. ------------------ IP: Logged |
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Fe3 Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 175) |
posted February 08, 2000 03:35 PM
I'm sorry but my research clearly states grand mal siezures and petit mal siezures. IP: Logged |
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macrophage69alpha Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 376) |
posted February 08, 2000 03:39 PM
your research is wrong- I am sorry but just because somebody with a phd writes something down and its published does not mean its true. And I will go out on limb here, becuase I am so sure, and tell that GHB for a FACT does not cause petit or gran mal seizures. Why are you so certain? you obviously know very little about ghb- whereas on the other hand I know a lot about it both from experience and research. sorry if you dont like my response but I am tired of having people who dont know really anything about a topic posting information as if they were facts. ------------------ IP: Logged |
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Fe3 Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 175) |
posted February 08, 2000 03:51 PM
I'm just showing what i have in this research. I am stating that there have been cases of death. How do you know that they didn't die from this ghb use? Parkinsons shakes occur because of diffuculty in starting voluntary movements,because opposing muscle groups do not relax- they must be overpowered.Sinamet is a medication that is given in order to control these contactions. Upon arrival l-dopa and carbidopa cause an increase in dopamine which helps in relaxing opposing muscle contractions. BUT ghb also increses dopamine and you say that this gives off parkinson like tremors. How? A seizure is a temporary cerebral accompanied by involuntary movements and unusual sensations.Changes in the pattern of electrical activity characterize seizures which caused by ghb. I not with the Gov. on this. I like ghb but can it kill you? yes. I'm not trying to imitate a snowflake here, i take in the information set forth by you, MP, and take it into consideration, however to say that there have been no cases of death with the use of ghb i don't buy it. There probably are cases that the Gov. has covered and pushed into the ghb file. IP: Logged |
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macrophage69alpha Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 376) |
posted February 08, 2000 04:01 PM
OK- look at your reasoning #1 GHB inhibits the release of dopamine while it is active. when the levels of GHB drop there is a dopamine surge- which is what wakes some people up in the night. During the period of effect the lack of dopamine between the receptors is what causes the "shakes". #2 Why would the government try to cover up deaths from GHB use alone- THEY ARE TRYING TO MAKE IT ILLEGAL- thus it would be in their best interest to bring all such cases to light- what they have done is lead a campaign of misinformation in which deaths where GHB may have been a FACTOR, A FACTOR not the cause, are reported as GHB induced deaths. #3 you have how many pieces of research on ghb?- I have read dozens and skimmed excerpts from many more. I am just saying that the research you are looking at is not what is generally being said by the WORLDWIDE scientific community- that should probably lead you to question the content of your research. I am not attacking you, but I feel that you may be jumping the gun on your conclusions which I believe that if you do some more research and really think about where the information is coming from that you would probably draw different conclusions- Just my opinion. ------------------ IP: Logged |
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Fe3 Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 175) |
posted February 08, 2000 04:06 PM
I usually find myself on the other end of the arguement, because i enjoy ghb. However i don't agree with the Feds for it being illegal. Anything can kill you if taken in high enough dosage, period. I'm not saying GHB is bad, or a killer, it's not, i like it. However does it have potential to kill?YES. I believe it does. I'm not saying you have to agree, but i believe GHB in high doses, which alot of teenagers don't know limits, can kill you. I'm only saying, "I BELIEVE." IP: Logged |
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Wasted_Youth Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 7) |
posted February 08, 2000 04:11 PM
FE3, why are you dodging MP's questions? He asked you to explain why you were so sure, and all you did was continue with your assertations and balking. All your doing is making claims, and not backing them up. You have no Idea how enraged I get whenever I try to have a logical discussion with someone and they just sit there with a pompus look on thier face making bullshit claims. It seems to me, you came into this discussion with an very poor attitude: That you know everything and anyone who doesn't agree with you is an asshole. That's not gunna get us anywere man. If your objective is really truth, and not to "prove you are right" then you would not get so pissed when someone contradicts you. and that is my oh-so-valuable 2 cents. ------------------ IP: Logged |
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BigPowers Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 21) |
posted February 08, 2000 04:14 PM
Any of you guys ever fucked up the ph level when making ghb. NOt a good thing. We melted the bottle when putting it in. Then burnt our mouthes after tasting it and spitting it out. Didn't want to waste the bottle. I have seen a lot of fucked up things in my years doing ghb, It's a crazy thing, I believe anything can happen, and even though I love it. I think death is possible. I think they are right when they say it is very unstable. For anyone doing it: Be ready for anything, And be careful. IP: Logged |
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Wasted_Youth Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 7) |
posted February 08, 2000 04:14 PM
One more thing. Notice how I said you CAME INTO this with a bad attitude? It seems as if you got a little nicer, but your still a know nothing fuckface in my humble opinion. Enjoy Life IP: Logged |
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macrophage69alpha Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 376) |
posted February 08, 2000 04:16 PM
I agree that in High Dosages GHB can induce respiratory failure. but the estimated dosage to do so is in excess of 50gr. that is is 50 caps of regular strength GHB. I just dont know any body who could drink that much by itself. There might be isolated cases where someone who has low or weak respiration might find a lower dosage fatal- I dont know for sure. You are right to say that too much of anything can probably kill. one need only look to water- which too much it of too quickly can cause you to drown- believe it or not this has actually happend. but I would like to say that by itself GHB is one of the most benign euphorics- certainly far more benign than alcohol. BTW- In older people GHB has lots of health benefits because of its increase of GH production, though this will have little effect on younger healthy adult, and the benefit as a sleep aid- old people have trouble sleeping because of lower melatonin levels and less natural production of GHB. your body produces ghb on its own- its is naturally occuring. ------------------ IP: Logged |
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Fe3 Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 175) |
posted February 08, 2000 04:18 PM
First of all i'm not making claims. Did you see a claim. I said I believe this to be true not that it is. Second prick why don't you bring your info to the table. YOu are clearly out of line when you jumo into the middle of the conversation and blurt out your gibberish bullshit. If you read my other article earlier i gave props to Mac saying he's one of the smartest guys on the board. Second this is a topic about the brain. No facts or nothing just pointing out what i hold in my hands as a study. So take a big step back sit in your chair and pay close attention.And also i don't mind helping you out, Just tell me what way you came in. IP: Logged |
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Bigmephisto Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 60) |
posted February 08, 2000 04:24 PM
Hey Fe3 Check your E-mail IP: Logged |
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livinbig Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 57) |
posted February 08, 2000 06:09 PM
BUMP,BUMPAND ONE MORE TIME BUMP IP: Logged |
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marky Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 42) |
posted February 08, 2000 07:26 PM
everyone has great points! as the government is about the "ALMIGHTY DOLLAR" any substance that is easy to abuse as GHB very much is, and causes enough propagandal (new word!) confusion and stupid misinformed outcry by idiot know not fat housewives and ignorant prediabetic fathers who push the political pressure buttons, any drug then that is not in their control they will seize control regardless of all the evidence. the government wants the tax money in its pockets! the irony is that alcohol causes more deaths, costs the government more uninsured expense than any other drugs but! they are getting fat on the liquor tax-am i getting thru!? later MZ IP: Logged |
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