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snowflake
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posted February 08, 2000 01:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for snowflake   Click Here to Email snowflake     Edit/Delete Message UIN: 55804542
are there really any side effects on GHB?

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Fe3
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posted February 08, 2000 01:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Fe3   Click Here to Email Fe3     Edit/Delete Message
Snowflake what kind of fucking question is that.
Fuck yes the worst side affect of all, It can KILL YOU!

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snowflake
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posted February 08, 2000 01:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for snowflake   Click Here to Email snowflake     Edit/Delete Message UIN: 55804542
how fe3 there ar no one who ever died on GHB
,just beacuse they took alcohol with it.and in all humans when a doctor obducts they ll find ghb if he took or not because GHB is naturally in every cell.....or??

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Adonis
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posted February 08, 2000 01:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Adonis   Click Here to Email Adonis     Edit/Delete Message
If you abuse GH, you will increase the size of many vital organs. This is not good, and for women, along enlarged organs, it can enlarge facial features as well.

Be careful

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snowflake
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posted February 08, 2000 02:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for snowflake   Click Here to Email snowflake     Edit/Delete Message UIN: 55804542
i v got many links to ghb which is writtend by doctors ect. and they recommand this
2 times a day no more than 4 times a week.
that is not a health risk.(listen THEY WROTE and i ll trust them more then my self and others or?)
of course any abuse of medicals are dangerous
even PARACETAMOL

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vinman6967
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posted February 08, 2000 02:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for vinman6967     Edit/Delete Message
In strong enough doses it can be fatal even without drinking alcohol with it. I have
a 17 y/o niece who was slipped some GHB
at a party and her pulse went so low she
almost died. She was unrouseable and
in bad shape when we got her to the emergency
room.. You do NOT want to listen to anybody
who says this stuff can't/won't be able to kill. It has, can, and will just like most
other over doses.

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E2
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posted February 08, 2000 02:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for E2   Click Here to Email E2     Edit/Delete Message UIN: 54337564
Snowflake is just that a damn flake! It can kill you just like anything else in this world, it's all about knowing what you're doing. It can also be very helpful, but ya gotta read, and make sure you know what' going on

E2

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snowflake
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posted February 08, 2000 02:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for snowflake   Click Here to Email snowflake     Edit/Delete Message UIN: 55804542
EPILOGUE
So, why did you write this again?

Look, I'm angry. GHB, used recreationally, is a safe, nontoxic, and by most accounts more pleasant alternative to alcohol, which causes brain damage and organ toxicity, hangs in the body far longer, and can leave the user ruined the next day. Yet my government has made the poison friendly and acceptable, and the relaxing, useful substance a dire threat! Drug users - even those who can cut through the mountains of propaganda - are forced to choose between toxicity and felony. I find it completely unacceptable to live in a society where alcohol is the accepted "drug of convenience" and is consumed thoughtlessly, by default - which it is. Not without assuming the most paternalizing infantilization or the worst incompetence can I comprehend laws that tell responsible, nonabusive adults that they can safely consume two or three socially approved drugs but that they cannot be trusted with others. I want to destroy the lies and manipulations, and the institutional abuse of power, that make this deplorable situation possible.

And because you, dear reader, deserve some big fun.

-Michael Cohn, 28 April 1998

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snowflake
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posted February 08, 2000 02:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for snowflake   Click Here to Email snowflake     Edit/Delete Message UIN: 55804542
What about Hillory Farias?

A sad story, no matter where one stands on prohibition. In September of 1996, this innocent and well-reputed 17 year-old went to a dance club in her hometown of La Porte, TX, where she spent the night with friends, drinking Sprite. That night, she suddenly and inexplicably died. Analysis found no drugs or alcohol showing up in her blood [61].

Then, someone thought to check for the sinister new date rape drug, GHB. There it was, 27mg/kg [42] - far more than natural concentrations, but reachable with a dose of less than 2g. Open and shut. In her death, all GHB's sins remembered: The secret administration, the sudden death, the low, reasonable dose that yet can kill.

If you've been paying attention so far, at least one siren should be sounding.

GHB's effects do not develop over many hours; any conceivable toxicity, normal or abnormal, should have appeared within fifteen minutes. Hillory drove herself home and said goodnight to her grandmother; a theoretical dose huge enough to kill her would have made both of these activities impossible.

If not the drug, then, what killed Hillory Farias? In their seminal book on GHB [151], Dean et al. claim that the coroner eventually determined that she suffered from a congenital heart disease, and was in fact killed by a cardiac thrombosis - a blood clot.

This convenient resolution, though, ignores the GHB that was present in her body. Did Hillory simply have the unbelievable misfortune to be chemically assaulted and suffer heart failure in one hellish night?

It seemed that we were forced to this improbable conclusion, until Fieler, et al. turned up a surprising new piece of this puzzle[140]. In a test of their GHB assay technique, they were able to detect GHB levels of up to 168mg/L in the blood of cadavers that had not ingested any! Barring the possibility of a desperately confused necrophiliac at the coroner's office, it seems that the body may produce huge quantities of endogenous* GHB when near death. Considering various findings that GHB protects the brain [141] and organs [30] from low-oxygen conditions, and the body's own use of GHB to reduce oxygen consumption [45], it seems reasonable to theorize that a death due to loss of circulation would naturally lead to the production of high levels of GHB during (or after) the final moments. Note that this is, as of now, by no means a supported or peer-reviewed conclusion, but I hope to soon have it critiqued by minds armed with medical training.

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GHB myths:

GHB has no dose-response curve!!!!


In other words, there is no reliable relationship between the amount of GHB you take and what happens to you. A dose that gets you high tonight might land you in the emergency room tomorrow, or in Tahiti two days from now. GHB isn't a biological agent, it's the devil in a teaspoon*!

Perfectly untrue. Granted, the borderline between doses that will make an individual euphoric* vs. dormant is thin, but the areas enclosed are reasonably wide (That is, most people have a good margin between an effective dose and a soporific* one, but there may not be much warning that a dose is close to pushing them over). All other things (e.g., mental state, physical fatigue, presence of food in the stomach) being equal, GHB's effects vary no more than other drugs'. Even opponents of GHB admit, in more sober moments, that the dose-response curve does exist [34].

GHB will stop your lungs!!!!
GHB does slow one's breathing, and this tends to make medical professionals very jumpy. Not knowing why their patient has such depressed respiration, they intubate*, and when the GHB wears off in its natural handful of hours, credit themselves with a daring raid into the very keep of death to steal back the precious soul under their care. What they do not know is that GHB's other physiological effects cause those sparse breaths to take in more air, and may also induce changes in oxygen use and metabolism that leave actual oxygen/carbon dioxide levels unchanged [45].

Please know that I'm not talking about GHB mixed with alcohol, heroin, marijuana, Valium or other benzodiazepides, SSRIs like Prozac, MAO inhibitors, or anything else. Alcohol and other depressants, at least, have been shown to truly make GHB as dangerous as you may have heard.

Note: The above may appear belittling of physicians, nurses, EMTs, and others who labor for our health. I in fact have great respect for those who seek to understand the body and all its wonderful mechanisms, and who use them for the good of others. In the absence of other useful knowledge, their reaction to GHB-induced coma is not even unreasonable. In terms of treating the condition, however, it is wildly inappropriate. Thus, it is up to the user to stay out of their hands!


GHB is paint thinner and lye!!!!
Forget GHB! Did you know there's a drug regularly used by well over 50% of the population that's made out of an EXPLOSIVE metal and a POISON gas? And it can cause heart attacks! Paint thinner don't look so bad anymore, eh?

The chemically-educated probably recognize the substance in the above rant as NaCL, table salt. The situation with GHB is similar: Gamma-butyrolactone, which is a chemical in industrial solvents, and sodium hydroxide*, the active ingredient in lye*, undergo a chemical change on the molecular level which makes them into something quite user-friendly. It is for the purpose of ensuring that whatever you consume is, in fact, real GHB without any of the above adulterants that I recommend you make your own.


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Wasted_Youth
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posted February 08, 2000 02:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Wasted_Youth     Edit/Delete Message
GHB is found in every cell in the human body, and lets not forget that prior to 92 (or thereabouts) you could buy it at GNC. After some kids found out you could get high from it, They banned, because god would not approve of kids having a good time. GHB alone is not dangerous in my opinion. Well, real GHB anyway. Sometime the stuff you get off the street was made improperly, and has unreacted sodium hydroxide in it, that is undissolved. Test it with lithimus paper. Sodium Hydroxide is The main ingredient in DRAINO!! Most of the legitmate deaths I have heard concerning ghb actually had nothing to do with GHB, but sodium hydroxide in stuff made in your roomates bathtub. (See what prohibition does? GHB is not to blame, crimilization is) Its cheaper and safer to make your own GHB. Its dirt simple, just mix 2 chemicals and boo-yaa, your a class 1 felony drug manufaturer! (in some states, at least) I checked out pubmed, and REAL doctors, not those hired propaganda marionets that work for the FDA, did experiments that showed GHB actually IMPROVES your breathing. It's only when mixed with alky that it causes "coma." By the way, coma, in medical terms, means deep sleep. When news man says coma, he could mean the common term, but with GHB its usually just intentially deceptive inflammatory language. I have read other stories that demonize GHB, and they are, for the most part, a stinkin load of BS. Do a search on Pubmed for it, read about the hype, the propaganda, and the big money interest. Also read what the tFDA, the cops, and Moralists have to say, and make an informed decision. here are some links to get you started! This goes for any drug, not just ghb. http://www.lycaeum.org/ Info on drugs
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/PubMed/index.html free, unbiased reports by real doctors
http://www.erowid.org more drug info, overlaps with first link

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