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Primo57 Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 194) |
posted February 07, 2000 10:24 AM
  
Despite the contradicting opinions on this matter, I have decided this morning to start drinking this stuff...partially because I'm stacking it with eq...too many damn shots/too little time. I don't generally mind the shots, but damn! Anyway, if you can seriously convince me not to do this..speak now or forever hold your peace. IP: Logged |
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Big Brother Val Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 152) |
posted February 07, 2000 10:37 AM
Shit, man, you only live once. Or die once for that matter. I say go for it. Are you just gonna down it? Or buy some gel-caps and put it in that way to avoid the taste? Usually, it only takes 2 or so to hold 1 cc. Keep us posted. IP: Logged |
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chesty unregistered (Total posts: 152) |
posted February 07, 2000 10:52 AM
There is a reason you are supposed to inject into the body. The acids in your stomach (hydrochloric) and other digestive enzymes will destroy the winny pretty much on contact. Not to mention it could cause other problems such as ulcers or worse. I don't know, but I would call a veternarian/doctor and just pose the question. I will call a vet. I know and ask them what would happen. Chesty IP: Logged |
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E2 Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 646) |
posted February 07, 2000 11:02 AM
You can drink the winny no problem, you can shoot it into caps and pop them if ya want. Chesty is wrong.
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chesty unregistered (Total posts: 646) |
posted February 07, 2000 11:06 AM
I called a poison control center and they strongly advised against taking any substance designed for injection orally. If you want to use it orally get tabs. don't fuck with your health be smart, use it as intended or don't use it at all. Chesty IP: Logged |
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macrophage69alpha Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 514) |
posted February 07, 2000 12:14 PM
CHESTY you dont know what the fuck you are talking about. anything you inject into you body is safe to put in your stomach. unless it was some utltrabasic compound, which as far as I know would be bad to inject as well. with regard to your it will all be destroyed by your stomach then I GUESS THAT THERE ARE NO ORAL STEROIDS. hmm DBOL, ANAVAR, ANADROL, oh yeah an WINNIE TABS. It is not like they put some magic compuound in those tablets to protect the steroid that they dont put into the injectable versions.
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big_bad_buff Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 149) |
posted February 07, 2000 12:26 PM
i believe mac knows what he's talking about. what the hell differance would it make if you drank it, or injected it in tabs. it's still gonna end up in the same place. IP: Logged |
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ant72 Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 49) |
posted February 07, 2000 12:41 PM
I personally wouldnt drink it, but you can drink liquid dbol "and that shit is pretty hardcore" so i guess you can drink winny too. But if i was you id think twice and just take alittle more pain and inject.Besides it works faster that way! Use your head and be safe bro... IP: Logged |
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macrophage69alpha Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 514) |
posted February 07, 2000 01:11 PM
okay once again oral injestion of any substance is almost always safer than injecting it. with injection there is always the possibility of infection. with injections, if the product is a fake, which many winstrol porducts are, there is much greater chance of infection. SO TO SAY THAT IT IS UNSAFE TO DRINK WINSTOL SUSPENSION IS PATENTLY UNTRUE. it is a 17Alkylated steroid which means that is was originally intended for oral consumption. There is some truth to the fact that some of it may be destroyed in the stomach, but maybe a five or ten percent loss-if that- most people I know that have drank it say that the effects are the same. I dont have a basis for comparison since I would never inject winnie. ------------------ IP: Logged |
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chesty unregistered (Total posts: 514) |
posted February 07, 2000 01:16 PM
I love controversy, I am always amazed at how people ask for opinions get them. And then when an opinion is refuted it is done so with verbal abuse. If you disagree with something great, but respet others opinions as well even if you disagree with it. State your view and move on. As far as the taking orals. Would you swallow Penicillan that is to be injected into your body or would you take the oral version. In my opinion while it wouldn't kill you, the fact that one is designed to worrk by injection and the other by ingestion seems to be a little hint. My OPINION. Keep up the discussion the more opinions the better the informatioin that is passed on. IP: Logged |
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E2 Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 646) |
posted February 07, 2000 01:21 PM
Chesty it's not an opinion it's a fact, you can take winny orally. You can't mind you take all steroids orally, some have to be injected, but any 17aa juice you can take orally wihout wasting you shite. It's not a matter or views or opinions, it's scientific fact. E2 IP: Logged |
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macrophage69alpha Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 514) |
posted February 07, 2000 01:27 PM
OK supragenius the is no chemical difference between oral and injectable versions of the *.*cillen family. the only reason why there is injectables is because taking the same amount of oral antibiotics would kill all the flora in your digestive system. AND YOU CAN TAKE THAT TO THE BANK!!!! ------------------ IP: Logged |
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snowflake Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 72) |
posted February 07, 2000 01:29 PM
ohh macro.....what the fuck u call your self Maybe it is a reason why it is maked injektable. some injektable u can take orally but not all.The stash is related to each other BUT NOT THE SAME !!! MONKEY ASS!! IP: Logged |
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snowflake Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 72) |
posted February 07, 2000 01:32 PM
ohh macro.....what the fuck u call your self Maybe it is a reason why it is maked injektable. some injektable u can take orally but not all.The stash is related to each other BUT NOT THE SAME !!! MONKEY ASS!!i whould listen to CHesty...he talked to someone who know what they r talking about. IP: Logged |
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snowflake Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 72) |
posted February 07, 2000 01:33 PM
ohh macro.....what the fuck u call your self Maybe it is a reason why it is maked injektable. some injektable u can take orally but not all.The stash is related to each other BUT NOT THE SAME !!! MONKEY ASS!!i whould listen to CHesty...he talked to someone who know what they r talking about. ------------------ IP: Logged |
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MattTheSkywalker Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 189) |
posted February 07, 2000 02:11 PM
Snowflake, Get a hold of youself. Stop posting gibberish. If you wouldn't drink the winny, don't drink the winny. Same for you chesty - the facts are before you - do what you need to do. Snowflake, if you have knowledge or experience that is useful to clarifying the issue at hand, we would be happy to share in it. If you want to type something that has no basis in reality, just to see your name on the board, there are a lot of other boards where that may be standard procedure. This is not among them. Flame on. Matt IP: Logged |
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devrimbal Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 37) |
posted February 07, 2000 02:52 PM
**** EVERYBODY please read below **** Some say that it is ok to ingest a substance that is meant for injection. From this statement we can produce the reverse theory; It is ok to inject a substance that is meant to be taken orally. Hey people why don't we just inject some protein shakes in our thighs? Maybe that way we can avoid it from getting wasted through our asses! On the other hand winny maybe an exception. it maybe ok to ingest the injectable form of winny. I think macrophage69alpha knows what he is talking about. But, I think it would be wrong to take one example and then conclude all injectables are OK to ingest orally. It is important that this concept is clarified. What is more impotant is to avoid bashing on eachother here. By expressing his opinion CHESTY tried to contribute to the forum. Of course if one doesn't know better, should keep quiet. But, hey no need to spread your raging hormones on eachother. Save that for your workouts. We're all to share the knowledge and help out eachother. Another point I have to mention; I have to admit that I know nothing about roids. Never used yet. What's a winny anyways? Some horse dope? ------------------ IP: Logged |
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NaLbUpHiNe Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 53) |
posted February 07, 2000 02:55 PM
Winny(from "Wonder Years" that is) Have yall ever seen "Indiana Jones" The Quest for the Holy Grail! Well this situation is kinda like that, and also like "Alice in Wonderland"(in a wierd sorta way) You have the option to drink the winny or inject it. Being that it is 17aa means that it is able to be digested by oral consumption, but it will not kill you if ingested. In indiana jones if they drank from the wrong glass it would kill them. this stuff won't. Also it is going with and going against Alice in Wonderland by that damn Bong smoking caterpillar saying "one side will make you grow taller, and the other side will make you grow smaller." This is not the case. with real winny you will grow either way (IM, or oral). You will grow better with injections though because throughout the process of digestion you are breaking down some of it's active compounds! TRIVIA: (What book Movie, and the Author) ------------------ IP: Logged |
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macrophage69alpha Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 514) |
posted February 07, 2000 02:59 PM
though your theory that the reverse is true is a bit off the deep end, and for many reasons incorrect, it is amusing. btw- doctors inject proteins all the time- its called intravenous feeding- but this is the not as rule advised to you- such cocktails are specially prepared, sterile and already broken down in the way that your body would through digestion. ------------------ IP: Logged |
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Bigmephisto Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 69) |
posted February 07, 2000 03:01 PM
Felt like I should respond to this one, Mac is right...Period. From a chemichal standpoint whiny is injestable, so is Reforvet-B. The main reason they come in an injectible form is because they are for animals... Have you ever tried to get a cow to swallow a pill? It is much easier for a farmer to stick his animal in the ass than it is to try to feed him stuff. Bottom line...Eat the whiny youll be fine. P.S. Mac thanx for the scientific perspective, It is apreciated IP: Logged |
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devrimbal Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 37) |
posted February 07, 2000 03:09 PM
macrophage69alpha Yes, there are "protein shakes" that are injectable. I think they're called "free form amino acids". Correct me if I'm wrong. In the winny case you must be right, but one who doesn't know better still can't stop and wonder if there are any differences between the oral and injectable form of whinny. in this case it looks like there isn't, but often times for the others there is. Another thing; what's with the nick name man. Typing your nick macrophage69alpha is killing me. IP: Logged |
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conan69 Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 18) |
posted February 07, 2000 04:15 PM
Primo57 how about you keep us posted on drinking the winny i am about to do a stack and i would really like to cut down on some shots thanx IP: Logged |
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Adonis Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 174) |
posted February 07, 2000 04:57 PM
Mac attack, wow this is a thread of controversy if i ever seen one. Keep us posted, I am thinking of doing the same. IP: Logged |
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Boric Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 17) |
posted February 07, 2000 06:33 PM
Regarding to my experiences with taking injectable stuff oraly, the most common problem is absorption. If you'll take winny oraly, you'll probblably need more for same effect. I've never used any AS, I'm also not a bodybuilder, but have used a lot of other sport drugs and supporting medicals. Usualy, if some medicals are listed "i.m." (intermuscular) then you should not put it in your blood. On the other side, every medical which is listed as "e.v." (endovena) is usualy listed like "e.v.,i.m", but not vice-versa. And some are listed also as all three possibilites including oral use but again not vice-versa. I think that drug intended to use as i.m. used oraly cannot harm you, only the absorbtion of the active substance is reduced and therefore you need more. B IP: Logged |
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ultraphine Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 5) |
posted February 07, 2000 09:09 PM
Interesting topic, I personally would shoot if only for the damage I could save my liver from the first pass(orals are procesed by the liver twice injectables only once) As it sounds like you're on a pretty heavy cycle. Also I like to use a finer guage needle 27 g and shoot into my calves or other smaller muscle group as I've found that can produce some gains on sight.(alot of people here (oz) disagree but it works for me IP: Logged |
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macrophage69alpha Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 514) |
posted February 07, 2000 09:16 PM
This another total misconception. sorry, whether you inject it or take it orally winstrol passes through your liver many times before it is broken down. this is true of all 17alkylated AS. that's why they are so potent, they stay in your blood stream so much longer because it takes so many passes through the liver to break them down, and this is why they are so much harder on you liver than test,deca etc. PEACE BTW- injecting your calves is not a good idea. ------------------ IP: Logged |
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Primo57 Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 194) |
posted February 07, 2000 09:20 PM
I've generally injected Winny, and made detailed jounals regarding my gains...of course I will do the same under these circumstances, and I will report back to all of you. Thanks for all the replies! IP: Logged |
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TEMEX Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 6) |
posted February 08, 2000 12:48 AM
are u crazy man u better live close to a hospital. TX ------------------ IP: Logged |
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marky Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 103) |
posted February 08, 2000 01:07 AM
Bigmephisto is right on this. injectable winny is for animals because of obvious administration difficulties. it is effective orally as well as injected. my personal experimentation has shown though that i got a little more and it acted a little longer than when taken orally. cheap as i am and expensive as it is, i prefer to shoot. but i low dose at 1.5 /3days-i seem to get a lot from a very little of this stuff! IP: Logged |
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Iean Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 61) |
posted February 08, 2000 01:11 AM
Guys you are wrong in saying that anything you can put into your vascular system can go into your stomach. 2 examples if you are familiar with them. Vincristine and Cisplatin. <3rd year med student> IP: Logged |
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macrophage69alpha Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 514) |
posted February 08, 2000 01:46 AM
vincristine is a chemotherapy drug which can be taken orally. though it is not as effective. this is direct from the pathology web pages "Vincristine exerts some immunosuppressive activity. Vincristine sulfate is unpredictably absorbed from the GI tract. Following rapid IV injection of a 2-mg dose in patients with normal renal and hepatic function, peak serum drug concentrations of approximately 0.19-0.89 uM occur immediately and the drug is rapidly cleared from serum. The drug is rapidly and apparently widely distributed following IV administration. Drug that is distributed into tissues is tightly but reversibly bound. " vincristine sulfate is for oral use- that it is not abosrbed as well does not mean that it not an option- besides why are you comparing anabolic agents with cytotoxic chemotherapy drugs? however this is not the point, your comparison is not only totally frivolous but inaccurate as well. winstrol was designed for oral consumption. I realize that being at medical school seems like a license to repeat things you have heard in class as if they were facts- but unfortunately doctors are wrong all the time This is not a criticism directed at you but at the status of near godhood that the medical profession shrouds itself in. [This message has been edited by macrophage69alpha (edited February 08, 2000).] [This message has been edited by macrophage69alpha (edited February 08, 2000).] IP: Logged |
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nbk Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 63) |
posted February 08, 2000 02:36 AM
This might be a stupid question, but If he�s taking a steriod orally, would it last the same amount of time in his system than if he han injected id i.m.?? IP: Logged |
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Boric Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 17) |
posted February 08, 2000 08:18 AM
Nbk, If we're talking about winstrol then yes, only the ammount in your blood will be lower because it will not be absorbed 100% if used oraly. IP: Logged |
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Bigmephisto Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 69) |
posted February 08, 2000 09:12 AM
Wow, its amazing how out of hand this topic has gotten. Everyone please bear in mind that this is a question about taking winstrol-v oraly. Not taking all injectible drugs oraly. We've lost site of the original question! Just my two cents worth, all you guys Rock! This board Rocks! IP: Logged |
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Big Brother Val Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 152) |
posted February 08, 2000 12:41 PM
Mephisto is right. Mac, you are the dude, period. I have more faith in what you say from your experience and knowledge of the subject than anyone I have read on this board. That's MY OPINION. This isn't a hyperrtoxic chemotherapy induced injectible protien into the ass because a cow can't swallow it issue. It's about a simple steroid that can be taken orally or injected. LET IT BE!! We're here to help eachother, not try and show everyone we're smarter than one another. If you have no experience on the subject, don't post. If you do... your opinion is appreciated. Relax, guys... we're here to help, not compete. IP: Logged |
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Iean Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 61) |
posted February 09, 2000 01:42 AM
no macrophage I am not going to be the fucking typical doctor prick that has his nose stuck up in the air. I have worked in the hospitals and nursing homes as an undergrad and then decided that I was not going to be that type of asshole. I am agreeing with you about drinking winny I am just stating an example that I experienced 2 days ago where the vincristine first caused phlebitis and IV therapy had to be discontinued and then patient was gived vinc. 2mg pid. and now she has a severe GI bleed and perhaps a prolapsed pyloric sphincter. My example was to contradict some assumption that anything that goes IV well goes by mouth well. If you think I am a closed minded fuck like many other physicians than what am I doing on a anabolic steroid page? Picking up tips for my patients? I appreciate your research in the PDR. What is your profession again. I have to say I am impressed with you dedication and knowledge. IP: Logged |
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macrophage69alpha Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 514) |
posted February 09, 2000 02:36 AM
sorry if my previous post was a little scathing. It is just that, although I have met some great and very knowledgeable doctors, I have also met and heard from many doctors who were not. I mean to look at the PDR from 1996 (might be 95) and back you will find that they repeatedly claim that steriods do not increase muscle mass nor improve athletic performance. I have seen numerous alarmist articles written by doctors on the dangers of creatine. I realize that doctors may not control, entirely, what goes in the PDR but they are integral to the process of its publishing. I am also distrubed by the lack of post surgery nutritional advice. A friend of mine had surgery on her small intestine after the surgery she was taking a lot of antibiotics, and becuase the removed her gall bladder- which it turns out did not need to be removed- her bile and digestive enzymes were way down. she could hardly eat anything, the doctor- a renowned specialist in gastrointestinal medicine told her to "try to eat- maybe try 'lighter foods'" he did not even mention, probably becuase it never occured to him that digestive enzymes might help and that to restore the flora of her intestine she couold eat yogurt, take acidophilus, FOS, etc- none of this was forthcoming from the doctor and he did not reccomend her to a nutritionist. She lost 15 lbs and she already had extremely low bodyfat- she lost so much interperitoneal- i think thats right- fat that her organs were actually impinging on her intestine. This experience needless to say pissed me off- not to mention all the things Physicians say about things that they have not done any real research on and then spout out whatever the dogma of the day is. I am not saying that this is true of the entire medical profession I am just trying to give some insight to the reason for my bias- which given the circumstances and the forum may have been slightly excessive. Basically, what I am trying to get at is that I kind of took the position that emphasized the negatives of doctors and not the positives. I Like to see doctors who are more open minded and take a holistic approach to treatment, using all the knowledge available. Sorry if my post was a little inflamatory, I was a little on edge with regard to the contradictions and alarmist posts that I was seeing. BTW- if it seems like I am rambling, I am very hot and it may be affecting my ability to think with absolute clarity. ------------------ IP: Logged |
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B182 Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 28) |
posted February 09, 2000 02:47 AM
Its also scientific fact that injectable 17 alkylated juice is less effective when taken than actually injecting it, because roughly %3-40 less makes it to the blood stream because part of it is destroyed by the liver on the way. I know that with reforvit if you take it orally you've usually gotta take over 200mg per dose in order to have sufficient quantity to get some past the liver. Basically, 17 alpha-alkylated injectables do work when taken orally but you wont get as much bang for your buck as you would if injected instead. IP: Logged |
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macrophage69alpha Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 514) |
posted February 09, 2000 03:17 AM
I hate to jump back on the attack but it is the digestive processes that destroy some( typically a small amount 5-10%) of the 17alkylates. once they are absorbed into the blood stream then they are broken down by the liver- but not very well which is why 17alkylates are designed for oral consumption because of their ability to resist breakdown by the liver thus increase the life of the active drug in the blood stream. Test only get one pass and then is broken down- if the liver is functioning properly. As far as I know there are no studies on the absorbtion of Reforvit-b (an animal product) in humans- so I dont know where you are getting you dosing parameters or your info with regard to blood levels of Dbol after administration of Reforvit-b. I do agree that oral products are slightly less well absorbed than injectables- however considering the costs versus benfits of such administration- especially considering how frequent (everyday) such injections are to the percent advantage over orals ( a small percent) it seems to me to be foolish to inject 17alkylates. some people like frquent injections, if so more power to them. ------------------ IP: Logged |
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The_Blond_Myth Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 60) |
posted February 09, 2000 02:57 PM
chesty is arguing that drinking it is not what it was intended for, so what? winstrol is a vet drug anyway not intended for human use. LP IP: Logged |
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