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WarLobo Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 105) |
posted January 31, 2000 11:17 AM
  
Every fricking day there are about a dozen posts on "How do I best stack deca and primo?" and then I see "Will Anavar give me a good 15 gain?" and lets not mention "Orals only - please advise..." Look, every known roid was/is made to do one thing - simulate the testosterone molecule. Now some have a better anabolic/androgen ratio, but ALL roids must in some fashion accomplish this. WHY??? Because testosterone BUILDS MUSCLE. That's it. Period. No test, no muscle. This is why I include test in every cycle I have ever done. Even on a cutting cycle - (which is once every 5 years With the exception a few folks, is seems to me test is considered a second class choice around here. Therefore my question? Why is this so?? I'm confused.... Can someone give me any factual information on this? Is there some new information I've not seen? Why don't we see threads like, "Test only cycle, please help" from the newer folks?
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big_bad_buff Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 107) |
posted January 31, 2000 11:46 AM
good question, and the anwsere is simple! newbies are scared of injecting! thats it. they think the pills wont hurt them, & wont have as much side effects as injectable ones, and if your injecting, your considered a juicer.....less trouble just poppin pills than shootin up. ask them, i was the same way kinda, nothing wrong with it. they just need to WAKE UP AND STOP BEING PUSSY'S......lol just kidding, they just need to do some more reserch, that's all. you might brake a few needles in your ass at first but hey, you only lose a little blood.......LOL IP: Logged |
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brians Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 34) |
posted January 31, 2000 11:53 AM
I think you're wrong as not all newbies want to take pills. If they've done there research than they'll know that injections are much safer. However, my reason for wanting to stay away from test, at least for know, is the fact that it aromatizes. Living at home and being at a new job, I don't need EVERYONE knowing that I'm juicing! IP: Logged |
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E2 Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 349) |
posted January 31, 2000 12:49 PM
I think it's great that the newbies wanna just take pills, either they're gonna take winny or anavar and not grow much at all, and we'll all be bigger then em, or they'll OD on abombs and kill themselves, then we'll be alive and big and they'll all be dead, either way we win so who cares!! E2 IP: Logged |
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Big Brother Val Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 50) |
posted January 31, 2000 12:50 PM
I'd have to say it's fear of side effects. People hear the haunting stories of gyno (which is my only fear of the stuff because I am gyno prone unfortunately), hair loss, acne, becoming sterile, crashing after the cycle, testlicles shriveling up like raisins... things like that, and become afraid of the possible outcome. Yet they don't recognize the risks of simply driving on the freeway. It's like gambling in a way. With one quarter, you don't run the risk of losing as much money, but at the same time, you also can't win the big money without risking more. You don't use Test, you simply won't get the gains you want. I am currently on a test/deca cycle, and only two weeks into it, and I'm loving it. I can't wait to start my Sust on my next round. Just get some info before you cycle, and be smart about it. I agree... Test is the way to go... IP: Logged |
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brians Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 34) |
posted January 31, 2000 12:59 PM
E2---DID YOU GRADUATE HIGH SCHOOL? YOU SOUND LIKE A VERY EDUCATED MAN!!! IP: Logged |
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Harleyguy Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 17) |
posted January 31, 2000 01:18 PM
Being a newbie,my biggest fear of test is that I will gain too much to fast.I live in a very small(pop 9000) extremely athletic community,where I am well known in both of the gyms that we have here.I don't want people knowing that I am juicing. IP: Logged |
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DreamingBig Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 53) |
posted January 31, 2000 02:39 PM
I have been one who was never really afraid of injectable AS. I was schooled by some vets (back in '92) and they made sure to inform me of the benefits/risks of taking both orals and injectables. My first cycle involved testosterone cypionate and I loved it. I would have to say that the newbies are afraid (not a bad thing); afraid of what they do not know through through use and/or research. I do not know of anyone who uses AS on a regular basis that uses just orals. Is this just a coincidence? I think not. DreamingBig IP: Logged |
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macrophage69alpha Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 357) |
posted January 31, 2000 03:05 PM
TEST is to me the principal AS upon which all cycles should be based. In almost all cases the side effects of test can be minimized and even eliminated. This cannot be said for other drugs as readily- especially DECA, ANADROL and FINAPLIX- which all act as progestins (though FIN less than the two others) and can cause gyno while using antiestrogens. these are just a few examples and all drugs are somewhat different just as peoples reactions to those drugs are somewhat different. JUST REMEMBER THAT TEST IS WHAT GOT YOU TO WHERE ARE. (or for those already using where you were) With regards to making to quick of gains with test- if you are taking anti estrogens this will minimize our water retention, the addittion of potassium sparing herbal or pharmaceutical diuretics should eliminate it. This will keep your actual weight gains more modest, however will not to any great extent affect the anabolic action. ------------------ IP: Logged |
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styles Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 64) |
posted January 31, 2000 03:07 PM
i went on the net and read for hours on end before i decided i was going to do it. people who are uneducated and say orals only should read about it. dont ask questions about something you know nothing about to people. read it up and if you know a little about it you are much better protected against misinformation.
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BigPapaPump Moderator (Total posts: 72) |
posted January 31, 2000 04:34 PM
Damn...fianlly...someone else who thinks logically ! Is there anything other than Test ? I've been screaming and ranting for years to try and get newbies to stop with all the useless crap out there. Test will not cause any more problems than anything else. If you're smart and don't stay on a cycle forever. I'd rather take 600 to 1000 mg of test for 6 to 8 weeks than all the deca and dbol in the world. Price wise, you can't beat your gain for the buck. Nice topic. ------------------ BPP IP: Logged |
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Les Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 120) |
posted January 31, 2000 09:29 PM
wel, I took Abombs my first cycle, not because I was scared of injection, but it was the only shit I could find...If youcan't inject yourself, your a pussy..I mean god..a bodybuilder afraid of pain??..I get a rush when I inject... IP: Logged |
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studcj Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 84) |
posted January 31, 2000 10:36 PM
I'll tell you right now that I am a newbie, and after the advice, I have been doing alot of homework. I didn't think it would be this hard to decide what I needed. I have seen that test and sus seem to be the best things out there. I have never stuck myself, so I still have some shit to learn about that.Even though I do have fear of it, I wont let it get in way, I guess its part of not being a pussy. "I can, because I have to" IP: Logged |
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madbomber31 Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 145) |
posted January 31, 2000 11:47 PM
test was the first steroid i took.. i am however not a big test fan for the new guy on the block... yes, i think they should have it, but not in a high dose, its just not needed to get good gains.... 2-400mg a week should be enough to grow well if stacked. now, for the guy who said he didnt want everyone knowing he juiced.... THATS WHAT ITS ALL ABOUT!!!! being your biggest, and best YOU can be, and sorry buddy, but i WANT people to look and say, "juicer". fuck ya, it means i am doing something right. IP: Logged |
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WarLobo Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 105) |
posted February 01, 2000 07:13 PM
Beltch, burb, and fart. Three well know items in any bump stack.... IP: Logged |
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naprox Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 103) |
posted February 01, 2000 07:19 PM
I dunno Lobo, test sounds pretty evil....
Your first cycle is going to be your best, so take a good amount of test and grow, grow, grow! As was stated before, test's side effects are easily countered. I add test to every cycle. I inject it for breakfast. I use prop or suspension as a mid day snack. Test kicks ass!! IP: Logged |
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macrophage69alpha Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 357) |
posted February 01, 2000 07:37 PM
THE WAR CAN BE INFORMATIVE BUT IT IS ALSO FREQUENTLY WRONG AND ALL OF THEIR DOSING PARAMETERS ARE EXTREMELY CONSERVATIVE- plus they put too much faith into the pdr and the manufacturer package inserts- THERE IS A LOT OF OTHER RESEARCH OUT THERE- ONE MIGHT LOOK TO THE 10 WEEK ENATHATE STUDY IN JAMA.- 600MG A WEEK WITH FEW OR NO SIDE EFFECTS. PEACE ------------------ IP: Logged |
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chesty Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 78) |
posted February 01, 2000 08:32 PM
Well I would have to say that alot of the "fear" of test comes from bullshit magezines like Muscle and Fitness and companies like EAS. All you hear from them is how "bad" testosterone steroids are. I don't think I can remember them ever printing a bad rap on anavar or halotestin or Dbol, etc. Let alone they never bag on there boys like the "cop" ronnie coleman. Hey whatever the steroid you take living at home or not, people will know, especially if you are small to start with, so suck it up and go for broke. chesty IP: Logged |
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macrophage69alpha Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 357) |
posted February 01, 2000 10:30 PM
bump this is the kind of thread that newbies need to read and reread so I think a bump to the top is in order-maybe it will cut down on the same questions over and over again. ------------------ IP: Logged |
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Lee wanna B Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 31) |
posted February 01, 2000 11:21 PM
Test IS the bomb. There is nothing like feeling all that test in your system. Whether it is when you are working out or just relaxing, you know that you have that test in your system. You feel awesome. Deca is great for adding size, but test is great for adding size and strength. I've done a cycle with only test and one with only deca and you feel much more with test. I gained more with test alone than I did with deca alone. As far as orals, even before I did my first cycle I decided injections are the way to go. It becomes easy after a while. I really look forward to injecting! That may sound a little psycho, but I like injecting. I haven't fooled with any orals yet because the sides are worse. In the next cycles coming up, I'm thinking about d-bol along with sust and deca. But that won't be until next fall/winter for bulk. But test is best and injections are the way to go. IP: Logged |
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phiend Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 149) |
posted February 02, 2000 01:15 AM
You guys are giving bad opinions to newbies. Of course, test is the king; however, you don't need test on your first cycle. Everyone know that if you do the same cycle two times, the second time won't be as good. Therefore, why start out with the KING. Start with something light like deca or EQ. Even D-bol is unnecessary for a first-timer. DON'T LISTEN TO THEM NEWBIES. THEY JUST WANT TO BE BIGGER THAN YOU  Anyways, start light. Go heavy later.IP: Logged |
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macrophage69alpha Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 357) |
posted February 02, 2000 03:07 AM
Phiend I really dont know where to begin. but i will give it a shot anyway. It really depends on what kind of "newbies" we are talking about. if we are talking about the kind that, from a medical standpoint should not be taking gear, are 16-20, well then you may be right that anabolics- like deca, eq, winstrol, even primo may be a better choice becuase they already are producing a lot of test. However this does not mean that test as a first cycle, for even this type of "newbie", is a bad idea. it is a good cycle though If and only If the person realizes and accounts for the possible side effects and does what is necessary to counteract them. Now to the other kind of "newbie"- the old guys- will with their lower levels of test probably not be able to make appreciable gains on such an anabolic cycle- though there are exceptions. ALL THAT BEING SAID, *AS* SHOULD,in my opinion, ONLY BE USED BY PEOPLE WHO HAVE REACHED A POINT CLOSE TO THEIR POTENTIAL- THEY SHOULD POSSESS THE KNOWLEDGE OF PROPER CYCLING AND ALL THE THINGS THAT GO ALONG WITH IT. I PERSONALLY THINK THAT, AS SOME ONE CONSIDERING *AS*, YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO MAKE POSTS ON A BOARD LIKE THIS AND NOT HAVE YOUR IDEAS TORN TO PEICES BEFORE YOU EVEN THINK ABOUT YOUR FIRST CYCLE. EVEN THEN THINK IT THROUGH AND MAKE SURE THAT YOU ARE READY. DONT JUST THINK YOUR READY, KNOW YOUR READY. BTW- PHIEND, THIS IS MY OPINION, I DO NOT ASK THAT YOU AGREE- ONLY THAT YOU CONSIDER. ------------------ IP: Logged |
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ultraphine Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 3) |
posted February 02, 2000 03:38 AM
let's face it there's going to be a positive and negative argument to any opinion(which as we all know are just like assholes everybodies got one. But the one thing I'm glad to hear is that people are taking alittle time in researching before they do their first course. There are a couple of opinions I' like to express. first of all orals v injectables , this comes down to nothing more than health choice most if not all people will agree that orals put alot more stress on your liver(first pass)as for injectables I can understand needle phobia but when compared to the side effects of orals , just stick that bastard in and backs to the walls. Now as for test , sust is the only way i've ever gone (mostly through luck) i think it's alot safer as it's four in one each type of test involved is alower dose therefore aromatisation is not as likely,. Inow usually cycle sust with deca or tribolin (an aussie vet roid 35mg nandrolone(deca) 40mg methandriol)and Ihave to say that I'm always pleased with the results and lack of side effects.But remember you only get to do your first cycle once so choose wisely! p.s Idon't deal at all but Iknoww acouple of legit sources for sust and other goodies from pharmacies in new zealand and thailand so leave amessage with your email (i hope that's allowed)
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SICKBOY1974 Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 19) |
posted February 02, 2000 04:19 AM
I AGREE TEST IS A MUST IF YOU WANT SIZE. IP: Logged |
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macrophage69alpha Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 357) |
posted February 02, 2000 01:56 PM
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aslan Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 20) |
posted February 03, 2000 01:00 AM
TEST=TESTESterone??????????? IP: Logged |
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naprox Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 103) |
posted February 03, 2000 07:21 PM
T = test= testosterone.
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quenepo Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 126) |
posted February 03, 2000 07:37 PM
Bump for Test.
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WarLobo Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 105) |
posted February 05, 2000 02:02 AM
Bump tity bump IP: Logged |
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macrophage69alpha Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 357) |
posted February 05, 2000 08:09 PM
BUMP TEST ------------------ IP: Logged |
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BigQuadz Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 15) |
posted February 07, 2000 01:51 AM
I am a newbie, I feel I have educated myself pretty good so far and I have only one fear of test. I don't want to piss out all my gains at the end of my cycle. Paranoid, yes. I want to gain weight and keep most of it. This is why I went for the EQ and Deca (got a killer deal on the deca). If I could replace the deca with sust in this cycle and gain 25 pounds and keep 15+ of it I will do it. Side effects are not a real issue to me because #1 I will take all precautions #2 I don't feel that the dossages I will be taking can be that harmful. Please give me some insight on this. Thanks IP: Logged |
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sac daddy Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 5) |
posted February 07, 2000 05:08 AM
What the fuck is Big Quadz talking about? Listen man it all comes down to a few simple fact. 1) Find a good man to get your gear from 2) Get as much money as you can and buy as much as you can 3) Stack two injectables and an oral 4) LIFT YOPUR ASS OFF 6 DAYS A WEEK. You will not piss out test any more than any other. Any one will lose after a cycle. These newbie's need to get some balls and hit the shots. My first cycle was 200 mg test every 5 days + 500 mg sust every 7 and 3 anapolon put on 30lbs in 4 weeks from 225 to 255 at 6'2" IP: Logged |
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macrophage69alpha Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 357) |
posted February 07, 2000 11:20 PM
a bump for all the newbies what can I say I like this thread ------------------ IP: Logged |
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I believe there are many more reasons to use test, just going to go into 'em right now would be to lengthy.