posted January 26, 2000 11:47 AM            

I'm a small guy (at lest for the parameters I found in this board) and I want to pack some muscle (not that much tought) and I am wondering what to take, in what dosage, for how long.

First a litle bit of me:

I've working out for about 6 years (since 17) and during this time I was able to grow from 58 Kg to about 72 Kg at 7% BF (while keeping the same heigth 1,77m) without the use of any steroids. In the lasrt two years I've managed to get close to 75 kg but whenever I'd take vacation or had to miss some time at he gyn I'd be trown back to 72kg. So I can really lose wait that fast.

My dream whight is to be a solid 78 Kg, and decided to try something different.

I can easilly get my hands on:
Deca-Durabolin
Winstrol
Primobolan
and other stuff (stronger I mean) that I don't feel like using (Hey I'm in Brazil)

I've also been told that after a cicle there's some complements that I should use to bring back my hormonal levels to normal.

So my question is what to take to get 5-7 Kg of muscle mass that won't go easily fade away and won't give me any bizarre side effects.

I know this is a long post and I really apreciate your patience.

Thak you very much.

Andr�

PS: (added later) All this stuff is really inexpensive in Brazil (You can go to a pharmacy and buy Deca from name laboratories for about 3-5 dollars an amp, and Winstrol will cost U$ 12-15 each amp) so all I care about is wich one is going to give me safest cicle (as I've noticed a tremedous preocupation on bang for the buck - or pounds/ dollar - relation in the posts I've read in these boards).

posted January 27, 2000 09:01 PM            

First off all, it's hard to make just one cycle, once you've made it you'll want more !! belive me...

I know that here in Brazil we can have almost everything, with very good prices and the majority of them are real.

So my advice to you is a cycle that causes very little side effects and mild gains. Go for it !!

You gonna use Greece Deca (200mg), Primobolan and Winstrol. You can take hemogenin (Anadrol-50) if you want, but i don't think you should, it's the strongest roid avaible with all the side effects...

Primo Deca Winny
Week 1 - 100 100 100
Weeks 2-6 200 200 150
Week 7 100 100 100

Primo and Deca you take once per week
Winny you have to take every other day (3/wk)

You will have to eat a lot, preferably 5 times per day. Use Gainers (or Massa 2000 in Brazil) for help. Drinks lots of water and train hard and heavy. No Anti-estrogen needed for this cycle. Whatch out for your sex drive, it could drop down during the cycle, if it happens use clomid (50mg/day) after the cycle.

It's good to take with the cycle: Primrose oil (Oleo de Primula) to protect the Liver and Vitamin Suplement.

I think this gonna pass your expectations...

Good Luck !!

posted January 27, 2000 10:38 PM            

Jon

posted January 28, 2000 03:33 PM            

Late

Lobo

posted January 28, 2000 07:07 PM            

That's funny, man.

"...fuck it im going out like rock and climb big ass mountains lift horse carriages..."

Damn bro, you are one serious guy!

Jon

posted January 28, 2000 07:43 PM            

Ok, now what you guys have much better than us, and what it's gold: Information !!! Bros, you have lots of info that we don't have here, nobody knows nothing, besides some few big guys that have genetics and don't open the mouth !!! The only way for us getting something is here in the net !! Thats why i'm here, you dudes are helping me so much, thanks !!!

Thats it !! Hey guys come to visit me !!! Let's train toguether and i'll take you for shopping !!! (and you guys gonna be crazy with girls here, they are hot !!)

posted January 28, 2000 09:11 PM            

I'm seroius about doing just one cicle, I guess I'm a little scared of the side effects.

I mean I've been reading quite a while about the topic and I can see that most of them happens If you just take everything without proper care.

I must agree wholeheartedly with leroy in one thing. Information makes a damn lot of difference, and it's damn hard to find here.

Most instructors in the gym are just big guys that have no serious preparation to handle the job and all they do is prescribe some common formulas (I mean exercise programns). In fact the best source that I have ever had access so far was a copy of the Arnold Schwazenerger Bodybuilding Enciclopedia that I borrowed from a friend whos was the owner of a sports nutrition shop.

I have seen friends of mine who used to take steroids as If they were having c vitamin and those guys got themselves into some really big health problems.

Anyway

thaks again for the info.

I guess i'll try leroy's sugestion.

Andr�

posted January 29, 2000 04:55 PM            

but what are the drugs that should minimize the side effects?

Andr�

posted January 29, 2000 09:30 PM            

And sorry Macro, but i think for the first cycle Andre should not use Test... I think DECA will make the job... it's just my opinion...

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posted January 29, 2000 09:47 PM            

2 even if you are the receptors in your scalp may not bind well with deca.

SIDE NOTE
this is one of the reasons why some people get GYNO from DECA and some people do not. because DECA looks like progesterone in some people their receptors bind well with it in others they do not

3. think of primo in some people this is the easyist anabolic on their hair, however in most it is harsher than test. what this implies is that most people receptors, in their scalp, bind well with primo.

There are of course many other factors- my comments with regard to DECA and PROPECIA were the general rule- there are of course always exceptions.

THERE a lot of reasons why someone loses or keeps their hair in the presence of androgens and I will not pretend to understand all of them- especially the combination of those factors that lead to or prevent hair loss.

Nizoral however as an anti androgen is certainly effective in reducing or eliminating hair loss stemming from AS use- I personally dont like propecia because DHT has a lot of value in stimulating the sex drive and the central nervous system- but then again from personal experience I believe that I have generally pretty low levels of 5a reductase.

posted January 29, 2000 09:47 PM            

It's your first cycle so keep it simple, I can't stress this enough. Just use sustanon.
Have clomid and proviron/nolvadex. You will get the gains you are looking for and it's safe.

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posted January 29, 2000 10:54 PM            

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posted January 30, 2000 09:25 PM            

If I'm taking sustanon, what should be the dosage and for how long? And how much of clomid and/or novaldex?

Tks