conan feels 4 is fine

enough of the emails, lets see what u guys have to say

i know the sus stays in the system for 3-4 weeks after so why not hit it right away after the 4 weeks are done???
i know u think u need time to let receptors clean but why wait when someone, somewhere is getting bigger than you are, thats just my theory, thanks guys

all others are welcome to reply

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Originally posted by Deppnade:
why wait when someone, somewhere is getting bigger than you are

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depp....this is the thinking that makes us brothers

i would hypothesize that the length of action of the drug you end with would be the determining factor in when you start....but i'd say 6 weeks is a nice, general amount of time off....probably more if you were on sus, less if on prop....etc.

if sus is out of your system after 4 weeks why not hit it hard as a mofo again at that 5th week

waiting for my bro's

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Originally posted by Deppnade:
i know u think u need time to let receptors clean but why wait when someone, somewhere is getting bigger than you are, thats just my theory, thanks guys

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Well in a balls to the wall, go get 'em sort of way I can see where you are coming from...however, tell me, are you finacially wise? If so then you will understand...

Let's say your first 8 week cycles costs you $500 - just rough guess, let's say Sus, Dbol, Deca.
Now then, you only take 4 weeks off, which -

A)has not let your endrocrine system fully recover.
B)has not given your body time to readjust to "Normal" androgen levels, so that it is still in a mode of being ready to deal with large volumes of hormone, and process them quickly.
C)Makes for one hell of a mood swing overall....Aggression on cycle, then depression for 4 weeks, then more aggression?

Now then, let's say you only took those four weeks off, your body is still able to process hormones at a fast rate, your receptors have not down-regulated, and you are still somewhat in a state of supression androgenicaly.

There is an issue of how much additional tissue your body can generate in what time frame. If your first cycle was logical, you should have gained near your maximum. This leads to leaving you in a possition where future growth stimulation might be rejected by the tissues.

More over, let's say that you were to slightly increase your dosages. Your body is still able to process large volumes of hormone, meaning that less overall product get's to the receptor, and when it does, the tissue will respond less willingly due to the theory that you can only grow so much, so fast. The body does NOT like change! This is why Atrophy occurs, because supporting muscle tissue is VERY demanding on the body. Growing it, is even more so demanding.

Now then, let's say you packed on 32lbs on the first cycle, you lost 10 in those four weeks, the you get back on...chances are, your not going to gain more than 10-15lbs max, and you'll loose 7-9 of that, but have spent just as much, if not more than you did for the first cycle which yeilded 32lbs of total gain, 22 kept. So, I ask you dear sir, which would you rather do-

Spend $500 for 32lbs
or
Spend $500+ for 10-15lbs

Dorian Yates did not become 270lbs in a year, or with 4 cycles... It's a matter of time invested into your intrests that determain the results and the success to follow.

If you want to continual rate of growth, I advise short cycling. That is cycle for 2 weeks, take 3-4 off, then get back on. With Anadrol/Suspension/Wintrol/Dbol/Testo. Prop $ Enan./Fina as your base drugs to choose from, you will have no problem putting on mass very quickly. With Anadrol and suspension you might loose 1/2 of your gains in water, but in two weeks time you might put on 15-17lbs! 4-5lbs isn't unheard of with just Winstrol/Fina/Prop. They are safe, effective, and allow you to grow over time, in a healthful manner.

sucks that it has to be that way

i would say that after my 10 weeks are done i will be up in the low to mid 20 lb gain region, i ate clean and didnt eat alot of shit, so i didnt get "fat" as some say u do when u bulk

so let me ask you, what the f@ck do i do with myself when i am doing 2 shots of primo a week and have nothing to do with myself, is there anything i can add in the bridge period, if u say andro ill puke

When I'm not "On" juice, I'm "On" GetPandP's product, and if you haen't heard, I've added very close to 3 inches to my arms in a very short amount of time.

you dont like that 8 weeker u had told me previous or do you think a short one will suffice?

i want maximum mass, keep that in mind

nothing in my life at all has been neglected, ive just always wanted to be a body builder forever

picture my mind set, i go to soundfactory every sat, a big juice head house club in case u never heard of it, i am 6 3, 265, and low teens in body fat, i am 19 years old and all the huge guys there are AT LEAST 24, i want to be their size now, not in 5 years, now, you know? maybe ill give synthol a try, but thats not the point, im sure u know what i am talking about and where i stand

i talk to all the juice heads about what their on, how much gh and slin they are using, and i get frustrated cause they are huge guys, and i have no patience to wait the 5 years to get where they are

obviously i will wait, but its just if there is anything i can do i would do it now!!!!!

i regret not doing 2 grams of test for my first cause i did 750, got good results, and now know my limits, and also i have to wait now, in terms of bridging, and God knows i have no patience!!!!!

its just frustrating, im sure u know, email me about the synthol, regardless, patience, i have none, and that is my flaw

and like i said of those two i would go for the shorter one!!

as said before, someone somewhere else is growing!!!that someone should be us!!!

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see, mean one, rome wasnt built in a day, but i am a human, and not a city, and have more options

u may say levrone was off for awhile, but like i had said, he was already built per say, all he did was fine tune

i want the size, and i will do anything for it

if i was levrone, shit, id take off for years at a time, and still have the biggest delts in the world, but i am not him, i am Deppnade, a novice that has a ways to go

and im sure there are things i can do that i can get away with, cause i am young, so i might as well abuse the hell out of my body while i can and get sick results, look at Rugby, he is mad young and probably gigantic, he abused it and got sick results

so meanone, i thank you for your thoughts, you know more than im sure i will ever know

my goal, growth, ill worry about the size of my bicep or the 6 pack i dont have when that comes, until then, i want to be 325 lbs at 10% bf, something that will take a year, but i will be dedicated

Dep, you are going to do whatever YOU want to do. I can't tell you what to do, but I can offer what I would do if in your situation. Personally, I don't want to die anytime soon, I like life, and I like life walking around with a huge set of arms, but if I had a choice between living for 1 year with big arms, then 4 years of cancer surgery's and treatments before eventually passing away, or having a huge set of arms for one year, then never being able to experience the joy of having children, or having a not to huge set of arms all the time, but slowly building them, and not risk my health, and not risk my future goals than I choose the third, but that is MY choice, you can roll the dice and choose what you wish.

I'm not saying those bad things WILL happen to you, but the chances are there, and you have to make an educated decision for yourself.

I'm sure the last thing Conan or Huck and certainly myself for that matter would want to see is anyone who got hurt by trying the advise we gave, but at the same time, you have to play the odds on where you are in the spectrum of society as far as health risks are concerned. Some people could live in the core of a nuclear powerplant, and not come down with cancer....others are MUCH more sensative. Do you know for sure where you stand?

guess i am just a little too impatient huh??

ur right, rome wasnt built in a day

i hate being wrong

once march 10th comes i am done with my first, ill be up close to 30 lbs, and ill bridge for 6 weeks with primo at 2-300 mg, and we will take it from there i guess in april when i am ready

thanks guys, mean, i emailed u about synthol, id love to hear ur thoughts

thanks again guys

thats my point

but i realize now u do have to look at it rationally

i know this sounds really bad, and by no means am i racist, etc etc, but hitler didnt just go balls to the wall, his shit was planned out, i know its a bad example, but a perfect one

i realize, thanks to all you guys, you know who u are, that this "game" isnt for jerk offs that take whatever they can get their hands on and expect to grow, it is calculated, and it is a science

mean, huck, slo, conan, all you f@ckers are great, and i love ya

i might cry

oh, i took a yellow jacket, and i am off the freakin walls now.......i almost gave a grandma at the gym an elbow to the grill for yelling at me that "i am taking to long to have my shake made"
typical granny, i bet i die before her too

Dep now understands that just because your not on all the time dosen't make you less of a person. You can still get HUGE just by cycling.

We all understand wanting to be as big as you can, but like Dep said, it's a science and you have to go about it rationally.

Dep, if I'm one of those "Guys," no need to thank, you in part probably helped many more people then you know. Think about all the people who read this board but never post...

If the body had the ability to grow new nerves, brain related diseases would be non-existant.

I will break this down to a very simple science for you Fonz, without being to specific so others who aren't familiar with the vocab. associated with this field will be able to benefit equally.

Imagine the body's network of nerve was a spider web. Now then, what occurs is a chemical reaction in the brain which produces energy which tavels out toward the ends of the spider web. However, the brian is connected to billions of spider webs, and these webs represent motor units. When the web is shook...or the body sends an energy signal, produced by a chemical reaction...all of the lines in the web shake...IE all or nothing principle. Your muscle fibers will contract at only one strength level (which differs with size), and by thickening this fibers, you increase it's contractile ability.
Now then that signal is sent to the enter nerve network of a specific region. Try to just contract your biceps without some partial contraction of the tricep? You simply can not do it. The reason for this is that the bicep nerve network (to put it symplistically) is a branch of the nerve network foud in the deltoid...found in the traps, found throughout the body.

When they draw blood from a small child in the hospital, they make a piont telling them not to tense up anywhere, or either arm. To an extenant, muscle condration caused by the surge of energy, created by a chemical reaction, travels completely throughout the body.

Moving right along, since obviously all of your muscle fibers held the ability to contract at birth, the neuro-network was laid in you at some piont in time before this. The only reason we get "Larger" muscularly is because the fibers thicken and toughen, not because we grow more fibers. Having said that, we already have all the nerves we need at birth, period! The only change is the efficiency in which they transmit energy or the signal to fire to the motor units.

Imagine your nerve a highly resistant peice of metal when you first start to train. Current will not like to pass through it, but in doing so it will lose "Power," to say simply, for reasons such as heat, density, molecular composition, and so forth.

Now then, your body always works to do the least amount of work it has to, and use as little energy as possible. In doing so, it will change the efficiency of the nerves ability to carry current, via a means which is highly debatable in many circles. May it be composition, enzymatic changes, thickening...we don't know FOR SURE. We can theorize, but we have yet to come across a generally acceptaed theory.

Now then, having established that idea, why in earth would your body aim to generate new nerves? It has no reason to...it has all the nerves it needs to fire every fiber in the body. It increases the efficiency of those nerves, in an effort to conserve energy. By increasing it's number of nerves, would require more energy per nerve motor firing event. This goes against the basic fundementals of the design of the body's adaptive procuations. It works to carry out more work, with less strain. IE, thickening the fibers, so that next time, not all of them will have to fire, so that it dosen't have to send such a strong impulse to the motor units, so that the chemical reaction required to originate the energy signal is not nearly as demanding.

Now then, you think you have some kind of piont with RnGHF-1? Do you really? Well then, why is it that you don't realize that it works by enhancing already existing nerves abilities to conduct energy with less current required from the chemical reaction in the brain. This is it's "Regenerating" effect. It does not grow new motor units, new nerves, new ANYTHING! It simply improves on what already exists. This is why we can't cure a paralyzed individual with RnGHF-1! It will not grow back any nerves, or grow new ones, it just improves on what's already still there.

And now, as you so kindly put

"Enough Said..."

2. wow, i definitely am and forever will be a lay man

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Originally posted by Mad Max:
Deppnade-Are you seriously telling me that there are that many 300lb guys running around the sound factiry on a sat. night. I always go on a fri. night and have been to the exit on a sat. night and the guys were big but I don't think there were that many 300lb plus guys. I'm actually suppose to go down in a few weeks on a sat. night to the factory for the first time.Are there any guys around 180lbs or not. I'm very solid with a 6% body fat but don't want to be the smallest dude there. I'm also only 5'8.
---PEACE---Mad Max

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no offense bro, cause i live the club scene, but you sound like my best friend who is on this board, im sure u all know him, King winny, he goes with me as well, ans he is an inch or so taller and ur exact proportions, probably has the best lean body on the whole site and i am willing to put money on it, but at the SF on a sat night, he is a shrimp, ive seen dorian yates and jay cutler at the SF sat nights when they are in town, this months ironman there is a light heavyweight that was there sat night and was all G'ed and X'd up, 300 lbs ripped no, but go take a look and u wont go back and take ur shirt off until you are 250 at ur frame or if ur one of the shot girls

i got to exit fridays cause im 19, and still love to party with my own age kids, but no offense, friday nights no one goes out juice head wise, SF saturdays has guys from 24 to 40, they all stand around, no one dances, and all they talk about is what they are taking

some guy tried to convince Kingwinny sat night that he should be thinking of GH already, all of them are past the basic test cycles

so now you know where i am coming from in a sense MeanOne, me and Kingwinny, for 19, are probably age for age better than any guy in there, but still, they are 24-40, and years ahead of us, so that is what is frustrating, it gets old, all the "wow, you look good for 19, keep on it and youll be 5x as big as me", and that is coming from Ron Lopez, any of you ever hear of him? look on this months ironman, light heavyweight, he took 3rd, and he is giving 19 yr olds advice to start thinking of GH

so mad max, i have realized that u may think you are big cause we are young, and yes, for our age we are giants, but go to SF saturday if u want to be punched in the face by reality

and MeanOne, what u think of that?? IFBB pros telling me to start thinking of GH after my freakin first cycle of just sus and deca.......

and this goddamn tendonitis.....

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but honestly, all the girls, are all on the juice heads, the little guys are usually the ones dancing or drinking, for instance, that IFBB pro, he had to push girls off him, literally, especially in vip

its sad but true, im just not gonna make excuses, like girls dont like that, or whatever, cause truthfully, they do, sad but true brother, but....., go in their with italiansweetness and meet up with us and find a girl under 21 there and she is ours, they love guys that look good and arent dinosaurs, u know??

keep in touch, u sound like a good bro to know, u better know how to dance no screwing around at the factory