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Tall Dude

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posted February 24, 2001 07:01 PM

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I've done about 5 or 6 cycles in the last ten years on various popular AS. I always seemed to have problems keeping my gains, so last year I did the following:

Had a blood test pre-cycle and had these numbers:

Free Testosterone - 18.3
Total Testosterone - 713

I then did an eight week cycle of GH and Anavar (both the real thing from a US pharmacy). The Anavar I tapered up to 25 mg a day divided into 4 seperate doses and then tapered back down. The GH I used 1-2 mg per day.

Here's what I tested 4 week post cycle:

Free Testosterone - 1.6
Total Testosterone - 45

I had some minor gains and lost some fat, but looking at the test levels makes me think I may as well have done high dose cyp.
I thought that Anavar wasn't supposed to surpress your test production? Again, it was the real thing - it cost $1800 from a US pharmacy and was manufactured by Searle and sold under a new name from some biotech company.

Any thoughts on this?



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PsychoSkitz

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posted February 24, 2001 08:11 PM

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It appears the Anavar did supress your natural testosterone. Use Clomid next time.


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300kleen

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posted February 24, 2001 08:15 PM

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This may be true, but I find it hard to believe. There can be outside factors at play.

When you say, "[GH]I used 1-2 mg per day", does that mean you were using GH orally?

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Tall Dude

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posted February 24, 2001 10:07 PM

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For the GH, I was using Humatrope injected subcutaneous. I went through 12 bottles of 5mg (15 iu) in 8 weeks. It was the real deal from Lilly.


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Big Johnson

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posted February 24, 2001 10:15 PM

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THIS HAS TO BE A BOGUS POST. POST SOME PICS OF YOUR LABWORK AND WE MIGHT TAKE YOU SERIOUS.

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Tall Dude

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posted February 24, 2001 10:42 PM

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Big Johnson - It's for real. I don't have a scanner. But if you're really that interested, I could Fax it over to you


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bigpun

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posted February 25, 2001 12:09 AM

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bump, I'd like to hear if anyone else has had natural test. suppressed after an Anavar cycle.

Ulter, got any ideas for this phenomena?


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hambone

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posted February 25, 2001 02:37 AM

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tall dude, I'm calling bullshit on you!

you just registered today, the same day 10 mg anavar becomes available and you post that anavar supressed your natural t-level's

is this just a coincidence?
I think not!!!!!

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hambone

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posted February 25, 2001 03:35 AM

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here's the link:

https://www.elitefitness.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/052053.html

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Tall Dude

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posted February 25, 2001 10:53 AM

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I don't know anything about 10mg Anavar becoming available. I got all of my stuff legally, so I'm really not at all interested in your products or how you got them. I don't want to piss anyone off, since I am new to this board, but I am telling you 100% the truth. As I said earlier, I will fax you my lab results (with my name blotted out) if you want them.

The main point of my message was that for me it was useless to spend that much money on Anavar when I could have done Cyp for about 1/10 the cost and get more gains. I am just looking for some advice, and I'm mostly getting these paranoid replies. I still would like to hear any thoughts or explanation if anyone has something to add.


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ulter

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posted February 25, 2001 11:31 AM

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It doesn't add up. There is something missing in this puzzle. Did you use the same lab both times? When you had the second one done were you as well rested as the first? Sleep deprivation can cause this. There are some people who are more sensitive than others to Oxandrolone or any other drug. But you were using a rather small amount and only used it for 8 weeks, and this test was taken 4 weeks after your last tab so I really find it hard to believe that your test levels would fall by over 80%. I used Oxandrolone for 8 weeks at 25mg several times and had virtually no change in my test levels. Me and couple thousand others.

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Tall Dude

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posted February 25, 2001 11:40 AM

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Thanks much for the reply.

I agree that it doesn't seem to add up in comparison to the effects on most other people, but it is consistent with my body seeming to have a tough time after a cycle.

It was the same lab and the same doc. I don't remember being sleep deprived, and I know that I need at least 7 hours a night to be normal. I guess I'm just really sensitive to any androgen, no matter how minimal the dose. So then, this goes back to my original conclusion - for me, why not just use cyp? I never had any gyno problem with it before and I got great results. The main issue was that I had a hell of a time trying to keep my gains.
Thanks again for your input.


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hambone

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posted February 25, 2001 09:45 PM

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tall dude, what did your doctor say? I would be asking him what is going on
you state you are allready seeing a doctor but rather than ask him about "hormone replacement therapy" you come to an anobolic steroid bulletin board to ask advice ???

did your doctor prescribe anything to get your natural test back up? (hcg or clomid)
if not see another doctor

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