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Tyrone Shoelaces JR

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posted February 24, 2001 09:41 AM

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This is probably entirely wrong to post this as : 1) Its doubtful few people here will really know the answer to it (unless they are LEO's) 2) It will probably scare many people who will post alot of chicken little/the sky is falling responses.. But it is exactly for the possiblity of #2 that I do it.

I was cleaning out some old papers and came across some information a former Pro-wrestler friend of mine gave me. It was some pages copied out of some book on steroid law at the time (this was about 10 years ago B.T.I.C - Before The Internet Craze ). it discussed a case in which Ray (an AS source in San Diego) was busted and in order to get a more lenient sentence became an informant for the LEO's. Gary in Indiana was a personal user. Ray called Gary (and all of Ray's other clients)on the phone and said he was going out of business and so he was going to let go of the rest of his inventory real cheap so order soon.

Gary ordered some AS. The police of course, tape recorded the phone conversations. The LEO's had all the evidence they needed : the taped communication and the exchange of money. This lead to a long chain of busts. They focused on the big names first. So it took about 2 years to get to Gary, but one day the knock came and Gary went down. He was an otherwise law abiding citizen and had been clean for some time. But the police had his phone number, the recorded message the receipt of money and there was no denying it.

Fast forward to the future: Internet craze is in full swing and with thanks to Echelon, Carnivore and other digital surveillance systems every digitally transmitted message over the phone, fax or internet is potentially open to legal scrutiny as a permenant record thats easier for LEO's to view then all the thousands of archived messages in the Elite Fitness archives can be viewed by the average bodybuilder.

Joe User meets an online source. He recieves a digital e mail that is a list from the source. He sends a digital transmission back saying he would like one vial of Testo enanthate and digitally gives his mailing address. he sends a western union money transfer and then sends a digital e mail telling the source the WU #. The source sends a transmission stating the order is received and is on its way. When the order arrives Joe User sends a digital message stating "I have recieved the package. Thanks".

What more would the LEO's need? They can prove every message came from your computer because of the IP address on each message. I believe if it came from even a hushmail account they can check and see what IP address was originally attached to the person who opened the account.They can track that IP addy to a name. The IP can be linked to a person living at the address it was ordered to (or who opened that PO Box account). The western union # given in the e mail order can be verified (even if you used a fake name when getting the WU money transfer, its linked via the e mail from your computer to you). The digital message stating "I have recieved the AS" could be as incriminating as signing for a package.

Does this sound like paranoia or should we panic? Could some small timers need to expect a knock on the door 5 years from now, even after being clean for 3 years?

I read an article several months ago that the top 3 causes the FBI are spending their resources on are : 1) National terrorism 2) Drug trafficking 3) Insurance fraud. The reason for the first one is obvious. But the other 2 are financially driven. They have found they make $4 prosecuting insurance fraud for every $1 they spend. If a doctors office can be shown in any way shape or form to have committed fraud they conviscate the doctors office, equipment, home in some cases and assets. Money money money money.

If you order one vial of Testo enanthat and they take your car, house and assets it will be darn well worth it to our gov't.

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lomaximo

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posted February 24, 2001 10:12 AM

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Good post, something to think about. Speaking of IP's I was wondering that myself. Sure you can have "encrypted/stealth messaging" but there is still the problem of IP's. Like you said, once the WU is mailed it links the e-mail and then they just have to un-encrypt the message. I think the only thing that may delay this process or make it safer to talk on the internet is to come up with a code and list. Example, your source and you come up with an alternative identity for talking about certain comounds.....T-enan would be number 1, primobolan would be number 2. May seem so simple but they would not know what the hell you were talking about. Also, one more way I guess would to ALWAYS place orders or talk about orders from a public access place. A library, communtiy center, etc. If they track to this they can't tell who was there....

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coolhandluke

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posted February 24, 2001 10:18 AM

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If youre worried about ip's and the like, go to your local library and use their pc's


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wierdhappennings

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posted February 24, 2001 10:35 AM

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good point luke. i use my schools network to do all my shit.


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Tyrone Shoelaces JR

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posted February 24, 2001 10:52 AM

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Yeah, I guess some of us wish we had thought of that some time ago.

I know at our local library you cannot send e mail. But still a e mail from the school or library might contain an address linked to you (home or PO box) etc.


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Maxx Out

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posted February 24, 2001 10:59 AM

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Isn't there some law where they cant come after u after one year?


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lomaximo

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posted February 24, 2001 11:05 AM

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I think it is seven years.....Statute of limitations

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lomaximo

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posted February 24, 2001 11:17 AM

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Does a remailer such as skuz.net eliminate IP information?

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ironbarbarian

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posted February 24, 2001 11:25 AM

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BBBWWWWHAHAHAHA, good post yes i place all orders from another place, mainly a public library with an e-mail that i change every month, track that motherfuckers....


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Tyrone Shoelaces JR

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posted February 24, 2001 12:37 PM

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I am sure many of us wish we had been as smart. When you place an order from the library, does your internet message contain and address for shipping that might be linked to you (home or PO box), that if LEO's diciphered and read could be linked to you?


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Tyrone Shoelaces JR

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posted February 24, 2001 12:39 PM

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Also, did you open your e mail account from the library? If you opened the accoutn from the library then you are much mroe safe, but if you open the account with your PC, then just e mail from the library it does you no good as the person (you) that opened the account still has his original IP attached to the account.


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