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 Natural bodybiulder needing advice on 'safe' juice whats best for beginner
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Novice 
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I'm a natural bodybiulder and have been for 4 years. last year i won the welsh national and placed second in Great Brittan, but im pissed off at being small i'm 11 and a half stone and bout 8% BF but still look like the peporami man Tiny!!! Please help and sorry to piss you guys off, Thanx! ------------------     | ||
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Cool Novice 
Posts: 22 |
For a first cycle you shoud go with Deca. ------------------ | ||
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Novice
Posts: 3 |
Just deca? i've been floating around this web for a couple of days and everyone rattles off a gert list? P.S. Cheers for the reply! | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder 
Posts: 406 |
First off mr. wales, welcome. Secondly, A 'safe' steroid is one that you know all there is to know about it. Primo and anavar are the 'safest' but I think overpriced (less bang for the buck). Deca is not all that 'safe'. Hang out here, search the archives, read alot of post, ask Q's and in a short time you will be able to answer this question, which is the way it should be. It is not something to rush into. IMO 500/sust for 8wks and 3/400 eq for 10 wks would be a good start. You will get varying opinions.  | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder 
Posts: 1188 |
I AGREE WITH ANABOLIC 24/7. WELCOME TO THE BOARD. ANYWAYS I WOULD GO WITH SUST AT 500MG/WEEK FOR WEEKS 1-8 AND EQ AT 400MG/WEEK FOR WEEKS 3-12 AND YOU COULD THROW SOME D-BOL IN THERE FOR THE FIRST 4-5 WEEKS AT 25-35MG/DAY TO KICK IT OFF. MAKE SURE YOU HAVE CLOMID FOR POST CYCLE AND NOLVA IN CASE YOU START TO FEEL GYNO. I AM ON THE SAME CYCLE RIGHT NOW FOR MY FIRST AND AM LOVING THE RESULTS SO FAR. HOPE THIS HELPS, GOOD LUCK BRO! M18 | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder 
Posts: 226 |
I don't think sustenon is a good idea for you if you want something safe as any test. will bring side effects depending on the amounts. For safe juice you should focas on deca , winstrol and primobolan because they are very anabolic and low androngic. This means that they have little to no side effects even at high amounts. In addition it doesn't inhibit your natural testostrone as much as other juice. | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 414 |
THat was bullsh@#, about Sustanon not being safe. You've been lifting for four years. You apparently know what your doing in the gym. You've competed, so your probably pretty knowledgable about nutrition. Sostenon would be a GREAT test. mix to do. The four testosterone blend is low in milligrams, and it lasts a long time in your system with very minimul side-effects. You should retain most of your gains on it, too. You should then read up on deca and primabolan, then decide which of the two you want to add to your sustanon. That would be a very good, safe first cycle for you. You will be extremely satisfied with your results, too. Good luck and have fun. [This message has been edited by Loophole Genetics (edited February 23, 2001).] | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 53 |
Forgive this post by a newbie, but if you juice then you are no longer a "natural" So why would you post here unless you were not who you claim to be, and are looking to "dis" the real MR WALES. Sorry if I seem overly cynical. Grotto. | ||
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Cool Novice
Posts: 42 |
I wouldnt combine sust and deca together, cause if you get gyno, you wont know if its estrogen or progesteron induced. Im using sust and winstrol at the moment and im getting excellent gains. Im going to bridge with primo in a few weeks time, just to get cut, and hold on to the gains. | ||
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Olympian 
Posts: 1996 |
quote: Please explain to me why test is not safe? Have you ever tried taking test at 2000mgs/wk? Ok now please tell me what other steroid you can take at 2000mgs/wk and still reamin in good health. I know you cannot do it with primo, deca, dbol, anadrol, anavar, winny. Possibly eq but not certain. I look forward to hearing your reply bro. | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 414 |
grotto, its pricks like you that are turning this board into SHIT as I speak. THis used to be the greatest board on the net. It is falling fast, though. Everyone has to flame someone else, or try to better then everybody else. THere was no reason for you to just say what you said. If you open you friggin eyes and read, Mr Whales said that he was going to do his first cycle. THat means he is CLEAN and NATURAL. Maybe not for long. WHY did you have to say anything? What point are you trying to make. Grow up. I'm sick of seeing posts like this. It happens all the time, now. Everybodys getting sick of this, thats why they're leaving. We're supposed to be helping each other out as much as possible. We're supposed to be on the same team here. | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 406 |
I'll second that loophole. Piss off punks!! | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 503 |
You said it, bro! -Stew | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 604 |
quote: Agreed, and that advice is posted over and over when members ask for help designing a first cycle. There is some good "pro v.con" in the Archives re: "...running "dual-agonists" (to steal Huck's phrase). Planning a "first" is complicated enough (at least for those willing to do the research) and when you constantly hear "Deca, D-bol and test" you run the risk of getting lulled into a sense of complacency..."hey, if others never experienced negative sides, you won't either right?" You need to (and will) make your own decision but FWIW, hit the archives on the topic above. My thought process, stay simple and don't run "dual-agonists" on the first. Later, | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 1188 |
I AGREE WITH IRON GAME 100%! ALSO THE SIDE AFFECTS FROM DECA INCREASE AT HIGH DOSAGES. M18 | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 53 |
Loophole genetics. Its ever so easy to call me prick in anonymity, but it is that same anonymity which enables people to pretend that that are someone who they are not. If I has a buck for every person who got revenge a someone by saying stuff that will instantly make people dislike them then I would be rich. So when I see someone clearly giving their identity on what is a mostly anonymous board I get very suspicious. Dout you ????? Grotto | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 105 |
Safe juice? Howza 'bout some apple or orange juice- cause those are about the only safe juices you're gonna find around here. Seriously though, no steroid is going to make you pass out and start flopping around on the floor, but they ALL have potential sides if misused. Personally for a first cycle try pyramiding some DECA for 10 weeks with DBOL for the first 5 at 5-orso a day. Trust me, you will be buying some new duds after about a month or so. RICO | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 196 |
Welcome mate, nice to see someone from wales here. Primo isn't that expensive in the uk so personally I would choose it over deca. A useful site to learn from is; http://www.angelfire.com/linux/roids/ Good luck. ------------------ YOU CAN DETERMINE THE WEAKNESS OF A MAN PERSONALITY BY THE AMOUNT OF CRITISISM THAT COMES FROM HIS MOUTH. | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 414 |
Grotto, this is going to be my last post to you. I'm not going to take up my time and everyone elses with a bunch of drama. First of all, you should read what you typed before posting it, because I'm having a real hard time understanding what the hell you meant. BUt, I'm a bodybuilder, not an English teacher. Here's my point: I don't care who someone portrays to be. I don't care what information they give about themselves. This guy asked a simple, fair question; hoping for a simple answer. The reason for this board is to help others and ourselves. There was absolutly no reason for any negative response to this guy. Who are you to do that. And what the hell are you suspicious about? You said him giving this info about himself made you suspicious; who r u? Sherlock Holmes, perhaps?? This really isn't just toward you, so many people are doing this exact thing here at Elite, and it is literally hurting the board. Lets stick together and help the ones that need it, and educate them. Whe we see someone doing something wrong, like flaming for no good reason, or purposely making someone look stupid to make themselves look better, lets stop them. We ALL have to do this together if we are going to save this board. We've all seen decent boards go down the drains for one reason or another, lets not let it happen to this great one. | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 732 |
I personally would go with a mild anabolic cycle for your first...If it is your first your receptors will respond well to anything. There is no need for excess androgens in your first cycle in my opinion. I wouldn't even stack anything for the first cycle either go with a moderate dosage of either eq or deca and run it for 10 weeks. You should get solid gains if you have good genetics and diet. ------------------ | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 414 |
good luck, Mr. Whales | ||
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Novice
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Cheers Loophole, thanx for dealing with Grotto and for the good advice, Ive got lots more reasearch to do but you suggestion for a first cycle sounds good. If you can direct me to any good info upon sost. it would be greasly appreicated thanx again | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 206 |
Loophole, RELAX! Everybody has the right to their opinion and I don't think that Grotto said anything all that bad anyway. When you call him names and carry on about how he's a jerk you're doing the same thing that your telling him not to do. Now, back to Mr.Whales, the safest roids are anavar, primobolan, and winstrol. But, I do think that you could of done a little research beforehand and you will have to anyway if you are serious about juicing. Do yourself a favor, read several steroid profiles, and get a book or two on the subject before you touch any kind of roids. ------------------ | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 105 |
wtf? juandelacruz, you obviously have a friggin need to keep heating the argument! Just shutup! It was settled between loophole and Grotto. Loophole's right man. Grotto didn't say much, but it was uncalled for nevertheless. There's no need for that kind of shit, Mr. Wales doesnt deserve that does he? What did he do? Email him and bitch at him if you have a personal complaint. But you dont have to turn the board's mood upside down man. Chill out THERE, end of talk. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 241 |
hey bro if you are doing a first cycle I think it should be somehting like this 12 weeks week 1-12 750 mg of sustanon week 1-6 300mg of primobolan week 5-10 400mg of equipoise week 7-12 400mg of deca week 11-13 30mg of halotestin eod | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 87 |
I agree with ItalianSweetness....no need to do much, you're fresh and might want to try something a bit short and simple....since you're a "natural bodybuilder" and competing, I assume you're in excellent shape already..Try some deca and test, or eq and test to see how your body reacts to it, if all goes well...then go with a bigger cycle. ------------------ |
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posted February 23, 2001 10:43 AM
