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NeckCrank

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posted February 22, 2001 10:45 PM

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I know this is the AS forum but you guys help me out better than the other rooms...

Okay I need to drop weight and I am leaning towards Adipokinetix or my own ECA made stack. I have done a lot of searching on creatine mixed with ECA is not recommended. But not a lot of support except just that it will bulk you up so it is counterproductive....yada yada yada

Okay, so... I have a creatine/HMB combo (EAS' Betagen). Many studies have been done supporting the use of HMB and Creatine to increase strength while promoting LBM and aiding in fat reduction. Creatine puts water into the muscle (cellular hydration) and HMB has shown to help muscle rebuild and heal quicker (kinda like AS - but on a MUCH smaller level)

How is a product like Betagen counterproductive to an ECA stack or Adipokinetix? Can't they help eachother out?

I have searched as much as I can but need some specific answers from you guys if you don't mind.

Again, My main goal is to lose as much fat as I can in 6 1/2 weeks. I do interval running and sprinting 4 days a week and lift 4 days a week.

Alright lets have it... Am I an ass or worthy of a little help...???


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Mimbrate1

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posted February 22, 2001 11:55 PM

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HMB is cost inefficient.

Load on a good creatine pre-cutting cycle if you must. It should act as a first line of defense while dieting to spare your muscle. Don't forget to hydrate well. There is a bottled water with electrolytes that is a good option. Can't remember the name off-hand.

If you can find it, Lipokinetix works wonders. Adipo is good but I've gotten much better results from Lipo. If you use the Lipo, consider a methoxy7 product and a calcium supp also. I have run into problems with Lipo in the past without the other two.


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chillin408

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posted February 23, 2001 12:01 AM

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"I have run into problems with Lipo in the past without the other two. "

what kind of problems??


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NeckCrank

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posted February 23, 2001 12:56 AM

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bump


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bodyfx

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posted February 23, 2001 08:18 AM

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Research on HMB has not played out in the real world.Adipokinetix is great,but there is a product called Adrenalin put out by Genepharm that contains a little ephedrine along w/ the nor-e.Man does it kick!Lipokinetix has worked well 4 me,but u should use creatine and ribose w/ it.Riboforce from Eas is good.Don,t take creatine w/ your fat burner though...some research says that caffiene can block creatine uptake.


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NeckCrank

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posted February 23, 2001 07:32 PM

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so...bottom line,


Wait till I am done with my cutting cycle to take Betagen or okay to take them together...

Main thing I want to avoid is the creatine/HMB causing to slow down fat loss

Everything I have read on Betagen says it should help but I am geting mixed reviews from here

Wait or combine?


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NeckCrank

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posted February 23, 2001 09:44 PM

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bump......

Why is it so difficult to get an answer? Does this topic suck or do I ??


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macrophage69alpha

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posted February 23, 2001 09:50 PM

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creatine does not slow fat loss
taking eca with creatine is fine but you will need to drink more water

best results will be obtained by alternating ECA and N/C/Y every 2-4 weeks

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NeckCrank

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posted February 24, 2001 02:31 AM

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yah, I have heard it might be a little dehydrating.

So now I have conflicting opinions (as opinions always are LOL)

Betagen and Adipokinetix or leave Betagen out...
I guess I am not going to get an agreement from all of you... >:-(


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