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 REWARD OFFERED for all you T3 SUCKERS
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Moderator 
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I so Damn tired of all you running tail between the legs like scared dogs any time the T3 subject is posted. I've answered more e-mail on this one subject than any other topic ('cept folks wanting a source) SOOOOOOOO If anyone - ANYONE can produce scientific, verifiable evidence that synthetic T-3 (Cytomel, Cynomel) causes permanent thyroid shutdown in humans after prolonged, high dose use - I'll send them a very nice bit of information which may be used to further inhance ones BBing goals. A major medical journal, a study by a top 10 ranked pharmaceutical firm, or verifiable results of a personal medical evaluation (verifiable via documentation and confirmation by the physician) are acceptable. STEP UP OR SIT THE FUCK DOWN. Your friendly Mod Lobo     | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder 
Posts: 434 |
I have to tell ya lobo i have used t-3 3 different times in the last year, for about 6 weeks at a time. And the last time i had test thyroid function was normal. and i have a friend who has used t 4 off and on for the last 2 years and his is within normal range also. Fe3 | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder 
Posts: 1037 |
WarLobo, I think most people say this because in theory it is logical. Now, that doesn't neccesarily mean that it's a fact, but anytime you introduce synthetic substances that mimic natural chemicals in your body, the body responds by shutting down its own production of the chemical in question. That is a fact. Now, the big question is whether or not this will impair the body's ability to continue making the necessary chemical (hormones) after the synthetic substance has been removed. There probably won't be any clinical studies to support this. Why would a university waste money on studying what effects of adding synthetic thyroid hormone to a perfectly healthy individual? There is no need for that type of information in the medical community. Doctors and researchers are well aware of what T3 does for humans who need it to function properly, not what it can do for humans who don't need it. Many of the drugs that we put in our bodies are not intended to do what we take them to do. Both Nolvadex and Arimidex are for breast cancer patients. Do you really believe that studies will be performed to see the effects of these drugs on men? Highly unlikely. Now, I don't disagree with you, but in reality none of us knows the long term effects of ANY of these drugs. Just because you have had success using T3 or whatever else, doesn't mean that everyone will. Just because you have used it for a couple of years doesn't mean that down the road when you become elderly, some effects of that usage won't start showing up. Nobody knows these things and only time will tell. Even then, there are way too many factors involved in order to isolate any certain factor as contributing to any health defects down the road. Those are the risks we take in order to be a cut above the average individual. -TG | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder 
Posts: 127 |
check with texas guns, (i think) she posted about having a problem with thyroid shuting down from t-3 & was hospitalised for a while. ------------------ | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 221 |
go Lobo... you tell em! | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 286 |
Whats the reward? A 52 wk cycle of T3 at 100mcgs/day?  | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 81 |
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 692 |
I known dan duchaine (sp?) claimed there was a study done in the 50's that showed that the thyroid glad, if normally functioning when T3 use started, then once stopped, would return to normal. it might take a little while, but it recovered (didn't say the time frame). he didn't reference what study it was, he just said the 50's. ------------------ | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 315 |
YES 'BOUT TIME, now- I'm not sure this will prevent people from riding the 't3 shutdown' wagon again soon though Wait a day or two, you'll see it posted on the board bro.MICHLDAV/VIKING OF THE NORTH | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 190 |
Everyone's amount of T3 produced by the Thyroid is different, hence different weights "metabolisms" I had a friend who had a goiter "sp" when young and had most of his thyroid removed. He is now on T3 constantly. Who's to say using t3will not raise your metabolism. Who's to say what is normal in one person and not in another. Don't forget folks whats good for one can be deadly for another. I think it is hard to put a blanket statement covering everyone. Just my opinion and you know how opinions are. ------------------ | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 716 |
I think Mrs. Texas Guns had more of an "allergy" type reaction. Also, at that time, way back when, I belive she was not fully informed about the subject as she is now. If I am not mistaking, she started taking 3 at a time from the start. I could be wrong! ------------------ | ||
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Cool Novice 
Posts: 38 |
Raver has offered $200 for about 6 months now to anyone who can prove this...so now there are 2 prises out there | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 154 |
I idunno I am pretty sure I saw hard copy do an expose on the abuse of T3. or was that GHB? lies all of them | ||
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Moderator
Posts: 2431 |
So we have had a few replies and that's great. None of course can show anything near proof that T3 will forever destroy your thyroid. Ghost, your correct on many posts. Of course normal production shuts down. But let us not forget we to this to our nuts EVERY TIME we inject test. And sure enough, after a bit, they are back on line producing test. And just like our nuts, so to does the thyroid start back up.... The only major difference is that we can't take any "cloimd" type substance to kick-start our thyroid. So the very long slow taper is of utmost importance. I've never have even talked with anyone who has had a normal thyroid and then killed it with T3. Most times I've found that when tested, their levels were off in the first place. If I'm working with someone, the first thing I have them do is a blood test. It�s cheap, easy, and NO DAMN GOOD reason not to. Hey, I don't want them coming back on me! And if you guys ask Mrs. Gunns, she is back to normal and is not taking T3 for the rest of her life. So how and where did this T3 terror and paranoia come from????? How did it get started??? If there are no studies (and there aren�t but a few that even come close BTW) of �mega� dosing T3, then how did this assumption come about? Well if you ask me, I think the few who found out about it were so impressed, and it gave them such an edge, that they wanted to darn sure to keep it to themselves as much as possible. THINK about it. Low dose supplementation increases protein syntheses�. HOLLY SHIT, now that�s and advantage if ever there was one. While high dose intake lets you eat more, train harder, loose fat, and come in much more ripped. HUMMMMM � would YOU give that up to a competitor if they did not know about it????? So enjoy your T3. Yes, use it in moderation. Be smart about how it�s best used. But don�t be a scared pussy.....cat! ------------------ Lobo | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
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Good job Lobo!!!! ------------------ | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 534 |
I love T3!!! The stuff may not do much for some people, but it's basically a wonder-drug for me as far as fat loss goes. I know that DNP is better, but I hate the damn side-effects. I am just coming off of a five week T3 cycle in which I peaked out at a dose of 125mcg for four days. Of course, I tapered up & down; that was just my peak dose. I have been off for three days now, and I seem to still be losing weight. I don't think my thyroid is shut down at all. Hell, it seems to be working just fine if not better than normal. However, it's only been three days so I'll see here in a week or two how it goes. So, I give T3 two thumbs, WAY The "F" UP!!! ------------------ [This message has been edited by 'ORCHITIS' (edited February 22, 2001).] | ||
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Moderator
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I am not sure what they mean by prolonged use or the dosage used(which could be an important factor) but some of those scientist guys had this to say Recovery of pituitary thyrotropic function after withdrawal of prolonged thyroid-suppression therapy. Vagenakis AG, Braverman LE, Azizi F, Portinay GI, Ingbar SH The pattern of thyrotropin secretion was analyzed in seven euthyroid women, before and after withdrawal of long-term thyroid hormone, by serial measurements of thyroid 131l uptake, serum thyroxine, tri-iodothyronine, and thyrotropin concentrations, and the response to thyrotropin-releasing hormone. During exogenous hormone administration, 131l uptake was suppressed, and serum thyrotropin concentrations before and after administration of thyrotropin-releasing hormone were undetectable. After withdrawal of exogenous hormone, thyrotropin secretory function was transiently impaired, as indicated by undetectable basal thyrotropin concentrations together with absence of response to thyrotropin-releasing hormone, and subsequently by normal values of basal thyrotropin concentration and normal responses to releasing hormone while serum thyroxine and tri-iodothyronine concentrations were subnormal. Decreased thyrotropin reserve persisted for two to five weeks. Detectable values of serum thyrotropin (less than 1.2 muU per milliliter) and a normal 131l uptake usually occurred concurrently in two to three weeks. Serum thyroxine concentration returned to normal at least four weeks after hormone withdrawal. ------------------ | ||
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Olympian 
Posts: 1600 |
Damn lobo you tell em ! I am sick of that crap too. Alot of that comes from the archives and that thing with texas guns if i remember, i am sure you do. Around that time everyone got spooked on t3. I also remember posting my results and i got a ton of email asking how to use it and if it was safe, It's like anything else people- ABUSE IT AND THERE MAY BE A PRICE TO PAY! ------------------ DECA-IT'S WHAT'S FOR DINNER | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 1140 |
i believe the thyroid is a gland that works off the negative feedback system so it detects the t4 and t3 in the system. once it detects there is t4 and t3 in the blood stream it stops producing it until it is needed again. After an extended amount of time the thyroid will "think" it is not needed and become dormant. in a sort of coma. once this occurs the person must take an artificial form of t3 or t4 until the thyroid comes to full strength. extended use will not sut it down forever but it will shut it down indefinately. do i get a prize for this? ------------------ "I used to be a diabetic 'till i kicked it." "May all of your showers be golden." - Jerri Blank "I cried when I had no shoes, until I met a man who had no feet. Then I laughed...really hard." | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 820 |
Can someone please translate Macro's post for me. I rode the short bus.. ------------------ | ||
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Moderator
Posts: 2431 |
Daeo, LOL! To hell with the thyroid, reading Macro can shut down you BRAIN! You have to SLOWLY ramp up to the reading level. Then, ultra care must be taken while mid-cycle, er mid-read, or excessive cranial swelling can occur. Once you have made it this far, great care must be taken while coming back down and reaching a coherent conclusion of what you think you might have read � or risk total implosion! It�s a real mess when you have to clean someone up after they jumped in to quick.... ------------------ Lobo | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 1001 |
Warlobo, why are you lying to all these people? lol....awesome post man. I have been wondering the same thing, why people are so afraid of T3 and it shutting down their natural thyroid production. Im probably going to start on my first T3 cycle in May, and i cannot wait. Good post, lets keep it up. Damn i wish i could prove you wrong. ------------------ EMAIL: [email protected] | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 73 |
Lobo, I'm with you!! I have done 3 T3 cycles in 8 months, 5 weeks long, taper up and down and i had NO PROBLEMS!!!! I'll start another one before summer!! | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 421 |
This is good news to me. I'll be starting my first t3 cycle soon. I was afraid of doing permanent damage. Any thoughts on taking it for 2 weeks then stop for a week and then do another 2 or 3 weeks. I just want to burn about 10 lbs. Is this possible? ------------------ | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 127 |
quote: so i don't get the reward? just joking, i'm glad she's ok now ------------------ | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 151 |
This has to be one of the best posts ever - extinguishing the theoretical myth of Cytomel's permanent impairment of the thyroid hormone production due to prolonged intake. T3 doesn't sound that dangerous after all. | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
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J Appl Toxicol 1998 Mar-Apr;18(2):125-8 (ISSN: 0260-437X) Maiti PK; Kar A [Find other articles with these Authors] A study on the effect of triiodothyronine (T3) in the regulation of pyrethroid (fenvalerate)-induced thyroid dysfunction and lipid peroxidation was carried out in male mice. Fenvalerate (120 mg kg(-1) body wt. daily for 15 days) administration led to a decrease in the serum concentration of thyroid hormones and the activity of hepatic type I iodothyronine 5'-monodeiodinase (5'D-I) and an increase in the level of lipid peroxidation. The decrease in the activity of hepatic 5'D-I due to the administration of fenvalerate was restored with the administration of T3 (7 microg kg[-1] body wt. on alternate days). The increased level of lipid peroxidation was also ameliorated by T3. However, T3 could not restore the serum concentration of thyroxine (T4), only that of T3. We suggest that the ameliorating role of T3 in the fenvalerate-intoxicated mice could be the result of the lipogenic action of the thyroid hormone, which in turn led to the restoration of 5'D-I activity.
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Elite Bodybuilder
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Yet to see any proof. ------------------ If you enjoy it today you can always do it again tomorrow. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 147 |
great post lobo. i have been considering doing a t3 cycle but was afraid to, however I think that was uncalled for, bring on the fat loss, I am going to stack it with winny and fina!!! | ||
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Moderator
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Kick some FAT off that ass Dickie! Should be a winning combo ------------------ Lobo | ||
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Moderator
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Bumpo ------------------ Lobo | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
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FROM http://www.jmedpharma.com/html/cytomel.html In normal individuals, normal hypothalamic-pituitary-thyroid axis function is restored in 6 to 8 weeks after thyroid suppression. OKAY BRO. DO I GET THE EMAIL FOR HELPING PROVE YOUR POINT? ------------------ | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
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quote: come on this deserves something! ------------------ "I used to be a diabetic 'till i kicked it." "May all of your showers be golden." - Jerri Blank "I cried when I had no shoes, until I met a man who had no feet. Then I laughed...really hard." |
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posted February 22, 2001 12:59 PM
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