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HUCKLEBERRY FINNaplex

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posted February 21, 2001 01:00 AM

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Hi guys.Dug up an interesting read which seems to support yet another benefit that may be unknown to us average laymen bodybuilders:Winstrol's ability to build tendon density strength...Enjoy...

Title: Stimulation of collagen synthesis by the anabolic steroid stanozolol.

Researchers: Falanga V, Greenberg AS, Zhou L, Ochoa SM, Roberts AB, Falabella A, Yamaguchi Y; University of Miami School of Medicine, Department of Dermatology, Miami, Veterans Affairs Medical Center, Florida, USA.

Source: J Invest Dermatol 1998 Dec;111(6):1193-7

Summary: In this report, we measured the effect of the anabolic steroid stanozolol on cell replication and collagen synthesis in cultures of adult human dermal fibroblasts. Stanozolol (0.625-5 micrograms per ml) had no effect on fibroblast replication and cell viability but enhanced collagen synthesis in a dose-dependent manner. Stanozolol also increased (by 2-fold) the mRNA levels of alpha1 (I) and alpha1 (III) procollagen and, to a similar extent, upregulated transforming growth factor-beta1 (TGF-beta1) mRNA and peptide levels. There was no stimulation of collagen synthesis by testosterone. The stimulatory effects of stanozolol on collagen synthesis were blocked by a TGF-beta1 anti-sense oligonucleotide, by antibodies to TGF-beta, and in dermal fibroblast cultures derived from TGF-beta-1 knockout mice. We conclude that collagen synthesis is increased by the anabolic steroid stanozolol and that, for the most part, this effect is due to TGF-beta-1. These findings point to a novel mechanism of action of anabolic steroids.

Discussion: I must first acknowledge that the commonly held belief is that anabolic steroids predispose an athlete to tendon rupture. This conclusion is drawn from animal studies showing that some steroids produce a larger, stiffer tendon in rats and that these steroid-induced tendons "fail" before the tendons from the control animals. The term fail refers to the breaking point.

The interesting thing about the present study is that the steroid stanozolol (Winstrol) had a different effect than testosterone. If you are a regular reader of Meso-Rx you should be well aware that not all steroids act in the same manner. And that because of subtle differences in there molecular structure they are able to elicit different responses. For example, Deca seems to act primarily through the androgen receptor (AR) where as Dianabol has effects beyond those associated with the AR.

Because synthetic steroids have differ in their chemical properties it should not be surprising that testosterone did not have the same effect as Winstrol. Winstrol increased collagen synthesis as opposed to testosterone which did not in this study. Interpreting the results of this study are more difficult than simply describing them. Other researchers have suggested that steroids cause a rapid increase in protein synthesis within tendon fibroblasts which results in fibroids or fibrous nodules within the tendon (Michna,1988). These fibroids alter the mechanical properties of the tendon perhaps predisposing it to rupture. It is also noted that during short term use of steroids there is an alteration in the alignment of collagen fibers which may also lead to rupture. Interestingly these alterations in collagen metabolism are transient with markers of collagen turnover returning more or less to baseline after 3-4 weeks of steroid administration (Karpakka,1992). These same researchers noted that low dose anabolics effect primarily muscle collagenous tissue with tendon being effected only at higher doses (i.e. 5 times the therapeutic dose) which would more closely represent what is needed by bodybuilders to put on mass.

The question remains, dose this mean that Winstrol will actually help prevent tendon injury or will it lead to bigger yet stiffer tendons prone to injury? It is difficult to take animal research and extrapolate the results to humans. Stanozolol is used therapeutically in humans to treat a variety of connective tissue and vascular disorders and its clinical effects suggest that it can modulate connective tissue breakdown in people. Despite being labeled as "ineffective" by many bodybuilders it is very popular among athletes. As with most hormones, dosage plays a role in what effects are seen, be they positive or negative. Hopefully future studies will shed light on the therapeutic effects of different steroids on tendons in humans.

References:

Michna H Appearance and ultrastructure of intranuclear crystalloids in tendon fibroblasts induced by an anabolic steroid hormone in the mouse. Acta Anat (Basel) 1988;133(3):247-50

Karpakka JA, Pesola MK, Takala TE. The effects of anabolic steroids on collagen synthesis in rat skeletal muscle and tendon. A preliminary report. Am J Sports Med 1992 May-Jun;20(3):262-6




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posted February 21, 2001 01:20 AM

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Huck, you never cease to amaze me. Where do you find this stuff??

How did you like that anavar cycle?? Is it worth it??

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posted February 21, 2001 01:25 AM

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Up until thid point I thought Winny was useless. Now if we were only Mice it would be great. I hope it works as well or better for humans. My powerlifting and Olympic lifting buddies will like to see this.

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DrZaius

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posted February 21, 2001 01:29 AM

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Nice article!


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musclestud

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posted February 21, 2001 01:32 AM

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While the study sounds promising please keep in mind that it was performed in cultures and not in vivo. Things don't always work the same when done in vivo.


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jersey boy

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posted February 21, 2001 02:55 AM

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It sounds as though the only thing that can be successfully built is in fact unuseful non-contractile scar tissue.

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peckerwood

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posted February 21, 2001 07:08 AM

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Great post Huck , good thing i saved all those winny's ........

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Solid Steel

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posted February 21, 2001 10:01 AM

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E-Toon

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posted February 21, 2001 10:07 AM

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That's interesting,

I stumbled upon a an article last summer that indicated that Winstrol promoted bone growth following fractures.


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thefantom1

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posted February 21, 2001 12:58 PM

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Good info..however..from what I have read about guys using Winny is that there joints and tendons really start to ache..why is that??? New tissue growth possibly?? Just curious

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ROIDRANGER

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posted February 21, 2001 01:48 PM

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GOOD INFO HUCK!!
so it seems that deca and winny are the best healers, so what about stacking winny/deca together for an injured muscle/tendon????

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HUCKLEBERRY FINNaplex

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posted February 21, 2001 01:57 PM

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One of my all time favorite stacks...I will never use deca without concurrent use of winstrol.I believe that one of the reasons that winstrol users report sore joints is that it attacks cortisol levels and drives them down,sometimes to the point of nullity,which can make joints quite achy...


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Jeff_rys

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posted February 21, 2001 04:52 PM

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No need to say, this is saved to disk.
A big bump for a great post.

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harpoon

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posted February 21, 2001 05:05 PM

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nice huck
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jersey boy

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posted February 21, 2001 05:49 PM

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Huck, once again. I believe that fibroblasts are reponsible for the manufacture of dense irregular connective tissue, i.e. scar tissue, therefore it seems to be of little benefit to have nonproducitve collagen synthesis occur in an area that could in fact be detrimental to proper function of existing tissue and organ systems.
Too far off base???

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Primo57

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posted February 21, 2001 06:19 PM

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It really does seem to have some merit,
after all anabolics do alter the amount
of protein transcription and the basic
components of dense regular CT (tendons) is
glycoproteins. As far as collagen synthesis,
well all I can think of is that the increased
nutrient uptake ability associated with
AS usage is providing additional nourishment
to the fibroblasts. But as mentioned, early
these cells GROW like hell in just about
all types of cultures - it wouldn't surprise
me if adding stanolone would make them grow
even more.

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Primo57

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posted February 21, 2001 06:22 PM

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BTW Huck, a belated congratulations on
becoming mod - I had to lay off for a little
while - haven't stopped by since my
quad injury.

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Checkmatebloated

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posted February 21, 2001 07:23 PM

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All powerlifters should use winny and deca at least once a year to get joint relief and tendon strength. If you don't want a torn bicep or pec!!!!!!!!!!!


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BerkeleyJuice

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posted February 21, 2001 07:34 PM

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Great fucking post bro!


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Holy souldier

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posted February 21, 2001 09:00 PM

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you da man huck! ANOTHER REASON TO LIKE WINNY.


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jersey boy

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posted February 22, 2001 12:30 AM

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I hate to beat this thing to death, but what the hell. The reason is is that @ 7 months ago I tore a pec with associated tendon rupture ( half of the tendon ripped off the bone ) and am VERY interested in anyone else's imput who is "in the know".

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