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Big Johnson

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posted February 19, 2001 11:58 PM

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ANY GOOD?

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GOT CINDY?


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Big Johnson

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posted February 20, 2001 02:57 AM

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BUMP


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bigrand

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posted February 20, 2001 03:28 AM

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I hear its OK for helping to cut. I tried it for a few days but always got the gaseous shits at like 3 in the morning after taking 1 tab after dinner.


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Big Johnson

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posted February 20, 2001 03:32 AM

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THANKS BIGRAND. JUST 1 TAB A DAY THEN?

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Big Johnson

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posted February 20, 2001 05:07 AM

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mike peters

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posted February 20, 2001 10:07 AM

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What are you trying to use it for? I read that it's used as an alternative to insulin injections.


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Big Johnson

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posted February 20, 2001 12:37 PM

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quote:
Originally posted by mike peters:
What are you trying to use it for? I read that it's used as an alternative to insulin injections.

YEP. THAT'S WHAT I WANT TO TRY IT FOR. ANYBODY HAVE THE KNOWLEDGE? THE SEARCH TURNED UP SHIT.

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bigrand

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posted February 20, 2001 02:33 PM

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1 tab a day should suffice. Use it after a high carb meal. It works by desensitizing adipose tissue to insulin and sensisizing skeletal muscle tissue to insulin.


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Verbal Gorilla

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posted February 20, 2001 03:43 PM

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Well, there is evidence that it actually supress any GH involvemt with the cell body...so for dieting I would use it, but not at all for an insulin replacement...


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Big Johnson

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posted February 21, 2001 09:27 AM

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ANYONE ELSE?


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Big Johnson

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posted February 21, 2001 12:44 PM

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BUMP FOR MORE INFO.

DURATION OF USE?
PRECAUTIONS?

THANKS


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Big Johnson

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posted February 21, 2001 12:52 PM

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FOUND THIS:

Kenneth Cusi, MD, and Ralph A. DeFronzo, MD


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Metformin is a biguanide that has been used worldwide for the treatment of type 2 diabetes for the past 4 decades. It improves glycemic control by enhancing insulin sensitivity in liver and muscle. Metformin does not stimulate insulin secretion and therefore is not associated with hypoglycemia. Improved metabolic control with metformin does not induce weight gain and may cause weight loss. Metformin also has a beneficial effect on several cardiovascular risk factors including dyslipidemia, elevated plasminogen activator inhibitor 1 levels, other fibrinolytic abnormalities, hyperinsulinemia, and insulin resistance. While metformin reduces insulin resistance, the cellular mechanism of action is incompletely understood. Metformin enhances muscle and adipocyte insulin receptor number and/or affinity, increases insulin receptor tyrosine kinase activity, stimulates glucose transport and glycogen synthesis, and reduces both hepatic gluconeogenesis and glycogenolysis. In addition, metformin has been reported to decrease lipid oxidation and plasma free fatty acid levels, leading to an inhibition of an overactive Randle cycle. Metformin monotherapy decreases the fasting plasma glucose concentration by ~60�70 mg/dl and HbA1c by 1.5�2.0% in patients with type 2 diabetes. The biguanide is completely additive to sulfonylureas and vice versa, as well as to acarbose and probably troglitazone. In insulin-treated type 2 diabetic patients, the addition of metformin improves insulin sensitivity and glycemic control while allowing a reduction in the daily insulin dose. Side effects of metformin are primarily confined to the gastrointestinal tract (abdominal discomfort and diarrhea). These side effects can be minimized by slow titration and administration with food. Lactic acidosis is rare, with an incidence of ~3 cases per 100,000 patient-years of therapy. Most reported cases of lactic acidosis occur in patients with contraindications, particularly impaired renal function (>90% of cases). In summary, metformin is an effective and safe therapeutic agent for the treatment of type 2 diabetes. Its ability to improve insulin sensitivity and the cardiovascular risk profile of type 2 diabetic patients has enhanced its clinical use as first-line therapy. In the U.K. Prospective Diabetes Study, metformin was the only medication that reduced diabetes-related death, heart attacks, and stroke. Metformin recently has been approved for use in poorly controlled, insulin-treated type 2 diabetic subjects. In the future, its indications may expand to insulin-resistant patients at a high risk of developing type 2 diabetes or with other components of the insulin resistance syndrome.

LESS INSULIN (GREATER INSULIN SENSITIVITY) MAY NOT BE SUCH A GOOD THING.


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Big Johnson

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posted February 21, 2001 05:28 PM

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CAN SOME OF YOU KNOW IT ALLS THROW US A BONE ON THIS ONE? DOES GREATER INSULIN SENSITIVITY MEAN LESS OVERALL INSULIN LEVELS AND THEREFOR LESS GROWTH? ANYONE TRIED IT FOR AWHILE?


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Verbal Gorilla

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posted February 21, 2001 08:23 PM

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What it is supposed to do is raise insulin sensitivity, so when you take your simple sugars after working out, the insulin you produce shuttles a shitload more of all the protein you eat after you lift into your muscles (ACTS like insulin)...

But metformin works by messing up the glut 4 pathways causing insulin receptors to move to the outside of the cell...well, this pathway is used by a very improtant substance...GH...so not only is GH being PREVENTED form entering the cell, but lactic acid is produced which will make you fell horrible...


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Big Johnson

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posted February 21, 2001 10:33 PM

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SOUNDS PRETTY FUCKING LAME. WHY WOULD SOMEBODY TAKE THIS SHIT AGAIN?


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