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 1,4-butanediol
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Amateur Bodybuilder 
Posts: 69 |
I this stuff still legal in the states?     | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 69 |
bump...I know someone know's this. | ||
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Cool Novice 
Posts: 30 |
Nope but i can tell you where to get it. | ||
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Cool Novice
Posts: 24 |
I think it is in most states. I bought a litre for $65.00 Canadian, which is equal to 1 Kilo of GHB. But it doesn't feel as good as GHB because of the longer time to be metabolised, and it can really do a number on your kidneys. Its way better to get GBL and turn it into GHB,which is natural in the body. 1,4-butanediol is an industrial solvent after all. But if you want the address where I got mine, E-mail me. Grotto. | ||
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Cool Novice
Posts: 20 |
Grotto..what is your email addy? | ||
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Cool Novice
Posts: 24 |
YEa.......that might help. [email protected] And no, I'm not australian, I just got used | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 115 |
Legal as a cleaner, but if you get caught with it in any container other than the original one or anything like that it is considered a date rape drug. It gets you to sleep ok, but taken everyday for a long time it will fuck with your body alot. I never knew it was rough on the kidneys, but I guess that would explain the unknown pain I thought was a pulled muscle. I actually think rohypnol is safer. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 69 |
I heard it is tough on the kidneys too. Not that I don't believe you, but has anyone come accross any research about this matter? | ||
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Cool Novice
Posts: 36 |
I dont know much about butandiol, but I can tell you lots about GHB. I can give you a supplier of Gammabutyrolacton, 1,4 butandiol, and benzylpiperazine hydrochloride. Benzylpiperazine has been shown to give the same effects of a D-amphetamine in doses of 100-200mg.If you need the recipe i got that too, but the guys web site has a link for it. And any stupid fucks who plan on using this to rape girls dont bother asking, guys who do that shit deserve to fucking DIE!!! | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 69 |
I think that GBL and 1,4 But. are both equally harsh on the liver and kidneys.. Everytime I take that shit, my lower back hurts, I'm guessing it may irritate my one of the above - It takes a few days before I feel back to normal. Weird. Nonetheless, I don't think that it can be too healthy considering the properties of the chemical.. and for those who make GHB, well think again on that also - most black market G is made by the process of dumping sodium hydroxide into GBL then letting it react to form GHB. What most don't realize is that you need pure GBL to lead to a clean synthesis - If you don't have that you have a lot of unreacted chemicals as well as possiblely unreacted sodium lye which will kill you if you drink it. So.. Beware all, don't say I didn't warm you. I love G, but these days I'd rather drink water and tell people I'm fucked up. LOL. Gman | ||
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Cool Novice
Posts: 24 |
Hey Gman Good point about the PH. I use narrow band PHydrion papers which are very high in quality, so I can get the exact PH I want. I also use GBL that is at least 99.7 pure to make my GHB. Lets face it, 1,4-Butanediol and GBL are not | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder 
Posts: 1286 |
I have asked time and time again why anyone would bother making GHB from GBL. The only plausible reason I have found is the taste, but, because GBL does not eat through standard gelcaps, you can precap it and NEVER taste a thing. The highs are virtually identical. 1,4 BD is less understood, and the high is less. But the latter is because of the slow conversion. Most users of GHB and GBL can attest that the euphoria is a reaction to the initial introduction of GHB/GBL, and in time the high shifts to be more of a "downer" 1,4 BD high is EXACTLY the same as taking small repeated doeses of GBl/GHB. That is assuming perfect purity, of course. Those who insist otherwise are likely victims of the placebo effect or getting chemicals which are not pure. Puc | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 1286 |
BTW -- If anyone wants to clam that GBL or 1,4 BD are toxic please provide research. There is none. There are, however, multiple resources which purport they are non-toxic. Puc ------------------ | ||
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Olympian 
Posts: 1546 |
I tried 1,4 I like it, not as good as real G but I can't really find that now....BigMack...if you could e-mail me, I would be interested in the info you have...thanks bro...I hear there is a way to convert 1,4 to GHB....haven't heard how though... big-guy | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 1286 |
bump | ||
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Cool Novice
Posts: 30 |
I would also like to find out if threr is a way to convert 1,4 BDO to GHB. I'm in pharmacy school and I've looked for it in "my" books, but haven't seen anything similar to it. Tripp out........ ------------------ | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder 
Posts: 405 |
I've never seen a conversion for butanediol into 'G'.. That would be very interesting. Butanediol 1,4 is somewhat like an alcohol, which is why you get head spins easier then 'g'. Thats also why it takes longer to 'kick-in'. It actually passes through your liver before its converted into G i your body. And like alcohol, butanediol 1,4 can give you that hang-over effect. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 69 |
Loophole, I think you are mistaken about 1,4-butanediol causing a hangover. You are correct about it being an alcohol, but it is not broken down into acetylaldehyde like ethanol (alcohol) is. Acetylaldehyde is what causes a hang over in most people, not the alcohol itself (the alcohol makes you feel good). In the case of 1,4-b it is broken down into GHB (obviously), which if anything, causes a little lethargy the next day if used in high enough doses. Hope this didn't sound like a flame, just wanted to clear that up. This brings me to my other question on this post however, if 1,4-b is metabolized to GHB, then how can it possibly be harmful to the body. To my knowledge the only harmful effects of alcohol come from acetlyaldehyde. If anyone has any more information...please add. | ||
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Cool Novice
Posts: 24 |
Hi Y'all 1,4-Butanediol cannot be converted to GHB by normal means. GBL on the other hand can be easily and cheaply converted to GHB. I notice the difference of each and could likely take the "blindfold test". If you going to take something that is going to effect your body, it might as well be pleasant. GHB is superior in the feeling it gives, and I feel it works for muscle recovery. the other and industrial solvent and react on the body as such. Which one is best for bodybuilding, I havn't any proof but I suspect ghb!!! I am going to try useing it various ways to see which works best. [This message has been edited by Grotto (edited February 20, 2001).] | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 59 |
Hey Grotto....email me. I have a few questions for ya, only in private though. [email protected] ------------------ | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 69 |
Watch the purity of your GBL/1,4 guys.. A while ago I binged on GBL I got from a Candian source, I noticed my lower back was hurting real bad after taking it - He claimed it was 99.7% pure, I got it tested at a lab and it was CUT WITH NAILPOLISH REMOVER. Turned out it was doing a number on my kidneys, probably liver too. Scary thing is I couldn't even tell when I was drinking it. Know your shit, know your sources otherwise you maybe playing with fire. Gman Thank god I stopped drinking that shit. | ||
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Cool Novice
Posts: 24 |
Yea GMAN The only supplier that I'v heard mediocre results of was **MARK. Was this who you bought from? I'v never used them myself. Grotto |
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posted February 19, 2001 02:57 AM