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  Cytadren,did anybody use it before,and how was it compare to other anti-estr.?

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panerai

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posted February 18, 2001 10:52 PM

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I read a lot lately about Cytadren and it looks that it's not that bad,as some may think.Can anybody share first hand experience with it? Seems like nobody tried it,weird!
On paper it looks like Cytadren is better then Nolva or even Arimidex,if one knows how to use it,I'm wondering,how is it in reality?


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panerai

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posted February 19, 2001 02:26 AM

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cytadren


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Fonz

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posted February 19, 2001 02:32 AM

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Used it about 2 years ago Panerai.
Used 250mg/day, spread out
in 2 doses morning and night. Worked
pretty well except for the fact my
joints hurt like hell while on it.
Since it was developed for Cushing's
Syndrome patients it blocks cortisol
(to a degree anyways), therefore
androgenic steroid use is a
complete must while using cytadren.
(due o the fact they increase intra-cellular water)
(therefore joints are more cushioned so
to speak). I was using only anabolics therefore
my inherent joint pain.....
Also curious as to who has used this also...

Godspeed



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BigJay81

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posted February 19, 2001 02:33 AM

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never heard of it Now I have to stay up late and try to learn more than anyone alive I will be back in about 12 hours to fully anwser question


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Fonz

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posted February 19, 2001 02:44 AM

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BigJay, I'm dissapointed.........lol

Godspeed


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BigJay81

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posted February 19, 2001 03:09 AM

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Cytadren, the U.S. brand name for the drug aminoglutethimide, is an interesting drug (non-steroid), first brought to our attention a few years ago by Dan Duchaine. It is most popular among competitive athletes who are drug tested, as this substance is currently not banned or tested for. Cytadren inhibits the production of androgens, estrogens and cortisone (and related) in the body. Medically, this drug is used to treat Cushing's syndrome, an condition in which the body overproduces cortisone. For athletes with normal blood levels, a little less cortisone could still be a good thing. While androgens give your muscle cells a message to increase protein synthesis, cortisone gives the exact opposite message, to breakdown amino acids. Since Cytadren also inhibits androgen production, it is always used by athletes with some form of testosterone. Together with even a relatively small dose, one could shift the ratio of anabolic to catabolic hormones in favor of the former. Cytadren also effectively inhibits estrogen production and androgen to estrogen conversion.

Research is bare as to the best way for athletes to administer Cytadren, but anecdotal evidence suggests that a schedule of 2 days on and 2 days off is effective. One thing is for certain, when used by healthy individuals as an anti-catabolic, Cytadren cannot be taken daily. After a short period of regular use, your body will react to the lowered cortisone levels and release increased amounts of another hormone, ACTH, in response. Increased ACTH will result in your body resuming cortisone production, basically making Cytadren useless. When used medically though, a moderate amount of hydrocortisone is supplemented to avoid this reaction. For athletes however, this would probably be a counterproductive practice. Thus the 2 day on 2 day off regime has been implemented in an attempt to delay or avoid this response. As for the daily dosage, athletes have experimented with anywhere from 1/2 a tablet to 3 tablets per day (250mg), 1 or 2 being most common.

Cytadren is not without it's side effects and warnings which are numerous. To be very succinct, these include, but are not limited to, the possibility of fatigue, dizziness, sleep disorder, apathy, depression, nausea/vomiting, stomach upset, thyroid dysfunction and liver disease. Athletes also report that the reduced cortisone often brings about more aches in your joints and an increased susceptibility to injury. Currently Cytadren is expensive, around $2 a tab, which is probably why it's use has not become more wide spread.


Still looking though
Anyone else have some personal experience with this stuff LOOKS good though


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body72

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posted February 19, 2001 03:34 AM

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I've never used it but recently i read an interview of Guy Grundy and he speaks about cytadren as the "magic drug", he say that is awe 4 harden the muscle.
I speak also with people that used it and they say that it works great but with a lot of joint pain.
I think that Arimidex (if u are rich) or proviron and nolvadex/clomid is a better way to go.


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Solid Steel

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posted February 19, 2001 03:37 AM

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It is very good and is probably right up in there with armidex, followed by all others.


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panerai

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posted February 19, 2001 05:04 AM

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Well,the big adventage of it,the way I see it,is in it's ability to lower cortison level.Use to be popular in the past(Andreas Munzer's favorite) but out of favor nowdays.Great addition to keep muscles while comming off.
Just have to be careful with dosage,and cycle it two days on,two off.
Bill Robert recomend taking half of the tab upon arising and split another half into two more takes evenly for the rest of the waking hours.
I'm not planning on using it during the cycle,but start two weeks before the end of the cycle,and continue for 4 weeks more.Not sure,may be even shorter time.
That's why,I need to hear first hand experience.


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panerai

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posted February 19, 2001 07:11 AM

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Hm,it shuts down natural test production,no good! So,I will have to stop using it a few days before start using Clomid(72hours before) and tapering is a good idea.


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