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mike peters

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posted February 18, 2001 02:42 PM

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What was the longest DNP cycle you all have taken? How many lbs did you lose?


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Rugby

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posted February 18, 2001 02:43 PM

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2 weeks 15 lbs, and 10lbs off my max


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Fonz

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posted February 18, 2001 02:44 PM

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4 weeks at 200mg/day. Lost
8 lbs with no diet whatsoever.
Not to mention no sweating or
discomfort.....

Godspeed


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Rugby

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posted February 18, 2001 02:52 PM

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I find 4 weeks very hard to believe even it 200mg/day... At that dose, you can have a perminantly elevated body temp, not to mention thyroid problems.


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'ORCHITIS'

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posted February 18, 2001 02:58 PM

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I don't mean to sound like a pussy here, but the recommended schedule is 7 days, 7 days off, & then back on for 7 more days. Then wait a while before you hit it again. This is how I used it, and I had good results from it. It cause cause some serious problems if you run it non-stop for long periods of time. Just be smart with it.

Oh yea, I forgot to add that at the end of my cycle(after the three weeks) I had lost a total of 11 or 12lbs.
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[This message has been edited by 'ORCHITIS' (edited February 18, 2001).]


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Fonz

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posted February 18, 2001 03:16 PM

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Rugby, I understand your skepticism,
but at low doses DNP can be run for
extended periods of time. You just
have to take precautions.(Like
anti-oxidants, vitamins, etc....).
You know the drill. Remember, that
back in the 1930's when DNP was first
used for weight loss, people took it
for 2-6 months....
And as far as thyroid problems are
concerned, I just took 25mcgs T3
+ephedrine to overcome those...

Godspeed


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Verbal Gorilla

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posted February 18, 2001 05:06 PM

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The only reason that is "recommened" is that 7 days is about all that people can take of the side effects...I think people would find ~2 weeks at low doseages would yeild better results with minimal sides...

as Fonz said..as long as you take all your other stuff there shouldn't be any harm, but if you would like to point out what the risks are with prolonged use, please do...


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Fonz

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posted February 18, 2001 08:10 PM

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From DNP,

Both male and female: rapid fat-oxidation
yields a massive amount of free-radicals.
That is why antioxidants are an absolute
must while taking DNP.

In women: Women are the only ones
that are at risk from cataracts from
DNP use(incidence about 1%)(funnily
exclusive to women)

As Rugby stated, DNP will shut down
T4-T3 conversion. Therefore if using
DNP for an extended period of time
the addition of T3 is necessary, due
to the fact DNP will shut down the thyroid
if used for too long a time.

On an interesting note it would be interesting
to see if the body adapts to DNP. In other
words thyroid levels remain low for 4-5 weeks
then rebound to normal....

Godspeed


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WC

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posted February 18, 2001 08:15 PM

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I did 600mg EOD and 800mg EOD for 2 weeks and lost 16lbs. Sweat my ass off.


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Myo-genetic

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posted February 18, 2001 08:17 PM

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Fonz, yes they did use DNP for periods of 2-6 months back in the 30's. But large numbers of their patients died. So to make reference like you just did is irresponsible to say the least.


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macrophage69alpha

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posted February 18, 2001 09:45 PM

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myo-genetics

INCORRECT
NO RECORDED DEATHS from medical DNP use in the 30's

records of people who died from it come from its use in the manufacture of TNT in munitions plants in france during WWI

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Myo-genetic

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posted February 18, 2001 09:50 PM

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An old biochemisty text once said and I quote "ATP uncouplers were very popular for a brief time in the 1930s as they were used for weight loss. The results were astounding. The patients of the doctors lost a significant amount of weight. But in the process they often lost the patient."

I have no bias either way. I'm just repeating what I read, and re-read to make sure I understood.


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Fonz

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posted February 18, 2001 10:38 PM

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In my defense Myo_Genetic, you should do
more research..... All the recorded deaths
from DNP came from its use in blasting
(as macro said), and due to exposure to
its fumes. It was also used(can you believe it)
as a food colouring agent....

Godspeed


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MICHLDAV

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posted February 19, 2001 12:12 AM

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Just finished a 10 day cycle of dnp(normally go for 7 days), @ 600 mg ed.
I don't think I'll ever do that again, all the crappy things happened when I came past day 7, sore throat etc etc.
I'll stick any time to 7 day cycles.
Allthough, I'm curious about the low dossing regimen for prolonged periods of time.
MICHLDAV/VIKING OF THE NORTH.


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Amp

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posted February 19, 2001 12:14 AM

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If anyone died using DNP it was probably from dehydration or the dosage was way too high. If you don't drink water non stop you will dehydrate quickly.


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Myo-genetic

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posted February 19, 2001 12:37 AM

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What I read was from a professional college text book. The instructor even covered it in class even though it was for 5 minutes. So Fonz, what exactly is it that want to hear? I don't have the book anymore but I'm sure there are new editions in any college bookstore that will back the previous ones. I've done my research and that is what I found so why don't you do some for yourself before you open your mouth. Having an open mind is about accepting new possibilites, not just accepting to be set in your ways. You really should try it sometime.

In the last few days, when those other guys were blasting you, I gave you the benefit of the doubt. But now I realize just how correct they were.


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macrophage69alpha

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posted February 19, 2001 01:44 AM

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MYO-GENETICS

While I am quite sure that your text said that, as well as your professor, it is none the less (i beleive) incorrect information.

The problem with reading something is that the text is only as good as the authors research. In the time that I have researched DNP, I have found no evidence of deaths from clinical use. But then again maybe my research is faulty.

peace
MP


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Fonz

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posted February 19, 2001 02:08 AM

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My suggestion Myo is that you research
clinical information on DNP, and not
rely so much on incorrectly extrapolated
textbook information. Thi is not a flame,
just a polite reminder.

Godspeed


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macrophage69alpha

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posted February 19, 2001 02:13 AM

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Myo-genetics

I have found similar references, but nothing to substantiate them. Several obesity articles reference such deaths, but they fail to reference source of info.

It was my impression that DNP was pulled from the market for 2 reasons

1. it worked
2. it was not patentable

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Luca Brasi

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posted February 19, 2001 02:42 AM

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Macro is spot on as usual and I beleive another reson it was pulled from the market was due an incidence of cataracts in women that was thought to be from DNP use.

Luca


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cockdezl

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posted February 19, 2001 09:10 AM

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Not to start a big argument, but Myo may be correct. I have an older edition of Pharmacological Basis of Therapeutics and it talks about DNP. The authors give it a good review even stating that it could have been a great drug for weight loss, but they state that back in the 30's the labeling and drug regulation laws were non-existant, and this allowed many to add DNP to OTC weight-loss nostrums. This they claim did lead to deaths.

The idea of deaths with DNP should come at no surprise, especially in this time of US history. Anyone who has used DNP can attest that this drug has a very high potential for adverse affects.


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rainhorn

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posted February 19, 2001 09:19 AM

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from what i know the only reason it goten out is because they found it cause cataract in the eyes but know day you can eliminate it


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MICHLDAV

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posted February 19, 2001 10:48 AM

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Well that summs it up, uhmm. Because something is written in print, doesn't make it so - but still it's a choice we decide for ourselves if we choose to believe the claims written. You can read articles stating that anablics etc. are more dangerous and addictive than crack, coke etc.

It has happened before, that some general misconception transforms into something believed by common man(& even 'researchers') to be true. Maybe that's the only fact that goes for the disputed drug dnp(at least when it comes to weightloss.)
MICHLDAV/VIKING OF THE NORTH.

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*MYTH 1(READ ON A AS BOARD) : "The greatest sideeffect of DNP is that your girl can't get pregnant when your'e on it"
My reply: Well kid, those plastic inflatable girls can't get pregnant anyway.


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decadon

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posted February 19, 2001 11:46 AM

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I am with macro and fonz...In my med school books it mentions nothing about loosing pt....I would imagine it was due to pt noncompliance and overdosing the drug to get increased results...think about it ...if you were 400lbs and 400mgs worked wonders for you ....just think what a gram could do...or maybe two grams...the fda only needed purity to give the ok on a drug...it didn't need to be safe.....the therapeutic index is really small if you think about it..also if aspirin was just discovered in todays laws..it would not be approved for use by the fda...the drug works...long periods at low doses or short at moderate dosages...unless you enjoy punishment I liked two weeks at 400mg a day...not many sides but enough...maye 300 or 200 for 2-4 weeks would not be that bad...just use some gugguls for t4-t3 conversion or a little t3...


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