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NeckCrank

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posted February 18, 2001 04:20 AM

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My friend and I are relatively new to AS and he has a 8 week cycle of Sust 250.

I told him he needs to get some clomid (after reading much recommendations from this site)

He said his source said the less stuff he puts in his body the better. He is not taking a truck load of gear and clomid is not really that necessary.

My friend said he will probably take some HGC afterwards but was not going to do clomid due to recommendations from his source.

What do you guys think? Totally necessary or only necessary for ongoing AS usage?

NeckCrank

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posted February 18, 2001 04:24 AM

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oops, HCG that is...

Tomo

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posted February 18, 2001 04:48 AM

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how much per week- ist time or no- i dont think you have to have clomid- but its cheap and available- so id have it and start maybe 2wks after end of sust cycle- what about anti-estrogens- why a sust only cycle- please
give more info, and ill help- tomo

NeckCrank

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posted February 18, 2001 05:14 AM

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well...,

I know he doesn't want to stack it - he doesn't want to go overboard and he doesn't want to spend a huge amount of money.
He has taken a cycle of T200 before. Now he's going to go on Sust. and says he will probably use some HCG afterwards but not clomid.

Everyone on this boards seems to regard clomid as a very necessary peice so I wanted to find out if he really should use it or just wait and see if he will "normalize" without it once the cycle is over.

I think he is taking 250 a week of Sust- going pretty light, like I said (although he gained 25 lbs on his first cycle of Nor50 @ 200 a week with nothing else)

rainhorn

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posted February 18, 2001 07:48 AM

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at these dosages you dont need HCG but clomid on the other hand is a must

ROAD DOG

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posted February 18, 2001 07:53 AM

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I agree,forget the HCG.Definately use clomid.

The_Iron_Game

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posted February 18, 2001 08:27 AM

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By using HCG you will cause a sudden and large increase in natural test production. It is also much quicker than that of which clomid will cause. They work via 2 different mechanisms. As rainhorm pointed out HCG is most commonly used when large doses have been used. You can also use hcg during a cycle if you are worried about your testes shutting down full stop and if you would rather this didnt happen. On 250mgs of sust it is not so beneficial to use hcg and you could get away without it. It will not only cause an increase in test but this increase will lead to an increase in estrogen levels as well. For this reason I recommend you take an anti estrogen at the same time or following the hcg shots. Remember it is very fast acting so perhaps start anti estrogen treatment a day or 2 before shots.

Although it will allow stimulation of the endogenous testosterone production, it does not work in the same way as clomid. On test you should start clomid treatment 3-21 days after your last injection and forget about the hcg. When starting the clomid depends on the amount of test used and the ester length. Start clomid use between 14-21 days after your last shot on sust IMO but you could use clomid earlier on to help start natural production increases before coming off. Proviron would also be a good supplement to utilise at this time as would clenbuterol.

If you cannot get hold of clomid then try cytadren and the hcg. Do not shoot hcg too close together as it leaves increase in test for as long as 6 - 7 days. For this reason space your shots out. Perhaps 1500IU's every 3rd or 4th days.

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