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 Behind-Neck Press VS. Front Press: Sholder Injurues
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Amateur Bodybuilder 
Posts: 73 |
I am 21 year old bodybuilder who got too strong too fast-due to juice and fucked my sholders up. I can still do Behind Necks but with no weight 165-for 12 reps as opposed to 225 for 5 two years ago, anything over 175 causes pain. I don't know what is wrong with them, the pain is in the front of my delt-Bicep Tendonitis. All other presses when done with proper warm ups are ok. Fronts occasionaly hurt for no reason, out of now where it will hurt, but nothing bad. Do any of you guys have this problem.     | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 144 |
I got a bum shoulder from heavy behind the neck presses. Now I stick to dumbell and hammer strength presses. Somedays it really hurts other days it feels ok, I just try and work around the pain. | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder 
Posts: 563 |
Everything I've read in hte the past suggests to skip the behind the neck presses. They do too much damage. When I do shoulders I do fromnt presses and they are worn out for the rest of the day. No other muscle I work gets that bad. I don't even want to put on my jacket. All I do is front presses, side lat raises and maybe rear lat raises. ------------------ | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 549 |
i quit doing behind neck presses years ago...i think there is no reason to put stress on your shoulders that ain't necessary..i do front military presses..they seem to work just as well if not better ------------------ | ||
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Cyborg    
Posts: 4773 |
I do presses in front. ------------------
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 354 |
KEEP away from behind the neck presses. I have never had a shoulder injury (knock on wood), but I can feel the pain difference from behind the neck as oppose to front barbell military presses. KEEP AWAY FROM BEHIND THE NECK. You have a shoulder injury, give it a good time to heal (6 months MIN), train light with the front military press. You can do DB military...I recommend trying a new way of performing the movement. Try turning your palms in when you come down. Make sure the palms are faced in toward the ears. Then on the way up rotate the palms to the forward position. If, this still causes pain, then leave your palms facing in toward your ears through the whole movement. Try this out and see if it works. If you still have pain, go see a DOC, you might have Stretched your tendons in your shoulder? If that is the case, you need to have mild surgery to reapir your tendons. Just alittle help from the HELMET Take care and GOOD LUCK. [This message has been edited by Steak Helmet (edited February 16, 2001).] | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 144 |
I never felt pain while doing the exercise. I did behind the neck presses for years without a problem. But after years of doing them, finally it catches up with you. Behind the neck barbell presses were my favorite exercise and I would still do them if I could. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 73 |
Same here, Behinds never hurt. One day I work up and out of now where my sholder hurt like hell. Now if I warm up, it is ok but not for Behinds only fronts and db. Some days I have no pain, others it hurts but nothing to impede training. My doc says my sholders are overworked and I do hane injuries to them but nothing surgery would heal. Is it possible that I have to live with sore sholders FOR EVER? I do rotator cuff work good form med weight and good form but never healed 100%. Please help. | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder 
Posts: 1106 |
I can only do the behind the neck press while standing...the military bench just gets me in the wrong groove. If you hit several sets of laterals first, you can get away with using less weight on the movement. | ||
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Cool Novice 
Posts: 28 |
Damn, this is my favorite exercise. I haven't run into any problems but from what I gather I could. Looking back do any of you think you may have slacked on good form trying to lift up too much weight (We all have been guilty of this) or is it the movement itself that is dangerous? So many veterans recommend this movement. Just curious | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 515 |
presses behind the neck are unnatural movements... vey bad. ------------------ | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 177 |
It's best to use dumb bells, they won't cause shoulder injury and you can isloate your shoulders better. | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 404 |
i would't do one set behind even if paid. Fuck PBN, my rotator cuff has been damaged for 6 months | ||
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Novice 
Posts: 10 |
Front smith machine presses rule, puts the shoulders in a moe comfortable natural position, behind the neck seems okay for some, it depends on their individual anantomical structur, just like some people get sore knees from hack squats while others dont. Best to stick with what does not hurt, i spent 2 years out after tearing trapezius muscles partially of the bone. Need to stay strict and safe | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 183 |
Behind presses are the WORST thing to do in the gym!!!This comes from over 13 yrs of training ,as well as being a personal trainer.The next time you see someone doing these..really get up close and watch the BAD stress put on the person's body!! Front smith are the way to go!!! If your shoulder hurts,its because you have a problem-the body tells you how its feeling!! J | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 170 |
never do any exercise behind the neck, you are putting your muscles in hyperextension and placing a lot of stress on your shoulder girdle. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 191 |
Ive been doing behind the neck presses for a few years and had no problems. I believe the safe way to do these is not to lower the bar all the way down to your shoulders, stop with the bar at around the height of the ears , and then press up again. If I bring the bar all the way down to my shoulders - like in a military press, then I can feel the strain on the rotator cuffs so I alway stop with the bar at ear height. | ||
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Cool Novice
Posts: 22 |
Same story as you JB, did very heavy behind-neck press, tore up rotater. I never go heavier than 185Lbs now. Front press I do 300+Lbs with a spot. If you already have shoulder prob's at 21, I would stay away. I still do them because I really like the stretch and pump I get. I actually tore my rotater, arm wrestling Mexicans while on vacation one time...take a # and get in line..lol | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 195 |
Anything behind the neck is very unnatural for the shoulders and you are just asking for problems. Stick to doing them in the front.
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Cool Novice
Posts: 46 |
Yea I even see personal trainers at my gym still teach clients to do pulldowns behind the heck. I remember reading an article in the AFA about the most damaging exercises are behind the neck pulldowns and rotating your shoulders when doing shrugs. They have the most chance of tearing your rotator cuff. Once that's torn you're out for a while | ||
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Cool Novice
Posts: 46 |
oops wrong excercise thought it said pulldowns not press | ||
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Cool Novice
Posts: 22 |
why behind the neck presses and pull downs have been done for so long is beyond me!!! it's simple bio-mechanics. when behind the neck you open up the shoulder girdel and become prone to injury.. i suffered from shoulder disloactoins when playing ball, and found that doing rotator cuff exercises help ALOT!!! after about a month all my related lifts went up and shoulder pain subsided!!! | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 540 |
Here is why behind the neck presses leave you so prone to injury. The anterior (front) part of your shoulder is the "weak link" in the capsule that protects your shoulder from injury. ------------------ | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 189 |
quote: THIS IS EXACTLY CORRECT! ANYONE WHO HURTS THEMSELVES DOING SHOULDER PRESSES EITHER DOES THEM WRONG OR USES TOO MUCH WEIGHT. ------------------ Great Information on Injections and Syringes | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 722 |
The potential muscular benefit from behind the back presses versus the potential harm that can be done says it all. Keep 'em in front bros. delts ------------------ | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 80 |
Your asking for trouble behnid the neck presses, that's old school anyway. Stick with front presses..dumbells or hammer strength machines | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 604 |
Statechamp said it best,reread his post. I do a variation I lower the bar to the top of my head..The bar is at the center of my head so it is not a behind the neck nor a front press but something in between. You can go very heavy on this exercise while keepin your body stay. ------------------ | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 78 |
Most injuries are caused by either poor form or a muscle imbalance. JB sounds like you could either have rotator cuff problems or could have some anterior laxity. In either event I would stay away from behind the neck presses until the issue is resolved. Just want to comment on people saying stay away from them; the shoulder is very delicate joint and no to be abused. However for most individuals if you use proper form and don't go to heavy you should be fine(going heavy usually results in a compromise of form for weight)and the benefits of the exercise more than outweighs the risk. I have been doing them for 12 years and not 1 problem. | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 300 |
I do alternately behind and in front shoulder presses. Allways start with 2 warmup sets behind though. Never had any injury this way. Oh yeah, I take the bar to aprox. my ears like the other bro. MICHLDAV/VIKING OF THE NORTH. | ||
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Cool Novice
Posts: 11 |
Man, I wish I could still do behind the neck presses. I built huge shoulders through those only until about 6 years ago when I did a one off job for a little extra cash - pushed something heavy onto a shelf overhead and popped my left shoulder. To this day I can only really do front shoulder presses and even then I experience shoulder pain. Have never managed to get the mass I got from behind the necks - I used to do 300 pounds for sets of 12 - 15. Those were the days - cannonball delts. | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 331 |
no behind the back presses- ever | ||
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Freak
Posts: 2152 |
state champ said it best, but who wants to do half reps? front has the safest mechanical range of motion. behind the neck not only places enormous stress on the rotator cuff but also puts stress on the stabilizer muscles in the posterior of the neck. i dont know how many times i have pulled my neck going behind the neck. as soon as i switch to the front, im stronger and dont get any injury. my money is on front presses, and dbell presses. even with dbells, i use the incline bench and put it in the topmost position so there is a very slight incline instead of completely vertical. this serves to forbid me from arching my back as well as keeps me from letting the weight drift back. the lateral head gets enough work in the presses alone, there is no need to be vertical to attempt to stress it more and ultimately put it in a precarious position. just my $.02 on this topic from how i understand kinesiology and biomechanics. | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 1290 |
I find that front press on a Smith most effective. I used to do behind and plateu'd (but NEVER hurt myself) I have made much greater progress with front. ------------------ |
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posted February 16, 2001 09:19 PM
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