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Amateur Bodybuilder 
Posts: 164 |
I've noticed for a while now that some of the best built guy's in the gym are using what I would class pissy weights. The kind of weights that most beginners can handle. WTF - I always thought the stronger you are or the heavier you lift the bigger you get. It annoys the f**k out of me to see some of these posers wearing tank tops in an air conditioned gym pick up some light dumbells and start curling. They don't even break a sweat and spend half the time talking to their friends. I'm starting to wonder, is it necessary to bust my ass every workout using the heaviest weights I can use, in strick form for 8 - 12 reps. I remember watching a Pro bodybuilder in Gold's who didn't look to be training very hard. When I asked a personal trainer why this guy was using such light weights and not putting in much effort. The personal trainer told me "them guy's are using so much steriods it doesn't matter how they train they will still grow". I also remember Duchaine wrote in an article that being naturally strong could actually work against you when you start using steroids. What gives? Have these guy's just got good genetics or are they on a ton of steroids?
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 145 |
lets keep in mind that a lot of these guys that appear to be so big are FULL of water... yes they appear to be large but that doesn't neccessarily mean you are strong. Does water lift a weight... I think not! just the muscle does. | ||
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Freak 
Posts: 2026 |
Water retention makes you stronger..... ------------------  | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 164 |
Green you are right the water retention does make you stronger. But I personally do not gain much water retention even from reasonable high doses of Test 500mg - 750mg per week. What is wrong with me? Personally I would rather have muscles full of water and look good than look smaller but be stronger than most of these guys. The funny thing is, I am just as heavy as some of these guys, but they look like they have a real bodybuilders physique and I don't believe I do. Maybe water retention is a requirement to build a good physique. Duchaine said that a certain level of estrogen build up in the body is required to gain maximum effects from testosterone. So maybe my body has low levels of aromatase enzymes and therefore even when I inject extra testosterone my body produces minimum increases in estrogen levels. This would explain why I don't get gyno or water retention. This would also explain why steroids work so well in women as they have higher aromatase enzymes than men. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 220 |
maybe these guys just want to maintain that size, and are on a ton of gear and eat alot. i see a guy coming in my gym sometimes too, all pro-looking, he really does train with chick weight, does maybe 15-20 min. worth of arms, then some bike and just leaves. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 60 |
pisses me off too! i see guys that are clearly 30-40 lbs heavier than me but we are doing the same weight! i do feel bad for the smaller guys who are lifting as heavy as me though, so i'm glad i'm at least in the middle somewhere. as for the water retention, i don't get that much either but my strength increases around 10 - 15%. | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder 
Posts: 1276 |
Strength does not equal size. The strength of a muscle and the size of it are two different things. [This message has been edited by Beezers (edited February 16, 2001).] | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 88 |
Well when anyone on here has about 30,000$ laying around and has nothing better to do with it than spend it on a years worth supply of gear, then that person will be able to show you how that works. I personally know one of the pro ranks bodybuilders and what he takes and they don't have to lift shit when it comes to weights. But then again either would i if i took what he did. I have worked out with this guy on and off for a couple of years and i have never seen this man ever bench over 315. And the guy is a monster, 5'9 275 with about 4% BF. Some people it just works that way with them........ | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 644 |
Theres a guy at my gym whose about 230, 5'6, 5-6% bf..i have seen him use weights ONE time, all he does is ride the bike. I dont get that shit, how can he maintain his size? When he was using weights, he only did pullups, bench, and military..he used 135 on bench and 50# db's for military. Hell, im 145# and i use 55's and 60's for db mp. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 191 |
I don't see the point in getting caught up in the numbers game if your a bodybuilder. How much you can lift shouldn't matter, its all about what you look like. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 72 |
Ok now I am really confused. I thought the way steroids made your body grow was from making you stronger. Therefor you could lift more and build faster than doing it natually. The reason I want to know this is because I am busting my ass in the gym with heavy ass weight(at least for me)and my goal has nothing to do with stength only size. So are you people saying that you don't need to lift heavy to get big if you do alot of juice? Am I wrong about how steroids work (you know making you stronger so you can lift heavy making you bigger faster)? | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 72 |
Bump. I would really like an answer if someone has the facts on this. Thanks. | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 1266 |
you are all seing persons who are excectionally "gifted" in this area of lifting. big dudes... strong dudes... lift big wieghts. A.S. or no steriods. if you have genetic ability to be big... you will be strong, yep. that's how it works. as for the dude that's 230 and 5'6" WTF maybe he lifts heavy when your not at the gym? peeps don't get in that shape when thier not working for it unless thier somoin (sp?) J/K... it's not about A.S. only it's about ALL VARIABLES. as 2thick preaches it's for real. ------------------ | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 55 |
Maybe it is just me, But this is a solitary game. I plan my training/diet/  supplement regimen and I complete it. For me, it is all about focus and intensity. It's like I am going to battle. I have no clue what others are up to in the Gym. I Kick All the Ass that I can and I leave. I do have some friends that work out @ the same Gym, but I do not socialize with them there. I do not even like my partner, but I respect him and his work ethic. Perhaps you should sharpen your focus, it works for me. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 231 |
Did you bros ever think that just because they are not lifting heavy doesnt mean they cant? Many people including arnold preffered lighter weights with focus on form. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 66 |
Let's not overlook the fact that some of these guys just have good genetics. The key is to strive to make YOU the best that YOU can be. Your workouts should always be a challange. | ||
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Novice 
Posts: 4 |
As to how steroids work, I believe T works (among other ways) by affecting your nitrogen balance, putting you in an anabolic state (not a catabolic state). It's when you're in an anabolic state that you can lay in new muscle fibers. Work your ass off and, during the recovery phase, your body is primed to lay in lots of new fibers. D-bol is a strength enhancer which allows you to work the muscle that much harder. Combined with being in an anabolic state, you get better results faster. ------------------ Mark | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 164 |
fooz I think you got it right, when I think about it, quite a few of these guy's also drive fancy sports cars. So obviously they do have quite a bit of money to throw around. So maybe they are just taking bucket loads of steroids. Someone else said that like Arnold these guys could probably lift a lot heavier if they wanted. Well I'm sure they could, but that is not the point. The point is that these guys don't bother their arse lifting heavy. Lift light weights for a long enough time and you should get smaller. I think everyone agrees that the fast twitch muscle fibres which are used for lifting heavy weights have the greatest potential for growth. | ||
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Novice
Posts: 10 |
This is totally true, just because a dude is not popping blood vessels does not mean that he is pussing out!! There are many different types of training, (ex, endurence, strength, and size)and you should always mix up your workouts type after a while to prevent plateau and to give the muscle a change to respond differently!! I also firmly agree that some gear is better for strenght gains, and some gear is better for size gains!!! quote: |
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posted February 16, 2001 08:48 AM