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Olympian 
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Next cycle consists of....... This is a MAJOR cycle for me, considering all others have been single drugs.. Will run 1050mg test for 10 weeks and use anadrol the 1st 2 weeks... Isn't it the worst thing in the world when you have to buy your gear a little at a time and you have to look at it knowing you can't use it until you have enough money to get the rest??? =(     | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder 
Posts: 167 |
Can I ask you why you want that much gear in you? ------------------ Great Information on Injections and Syringes | ||
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Olympian
Posts: 1760 |
to GROW. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 167 |
That is not specific enough because you can grow on 500mg/week. ------------------ Great Information on Injections and Syringes | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder 
Posts: 647 |
Yeah Right... If i could still grow on 500mg of test... That'll be the day... When your 240lbs and on your 5th cycle, 500mg does jack shit... I like the cycle... I am doing similar... 1000mg enan, 1cc sust eod, 50mg dbol, 500mg deca. you will grow... but i would get some more drol... Run it for 3 weeks | ||
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Olympian
Posts: 1760 |
I can? Ok.. is that why I only got halfway decent gains on 400mg test on my last cycle? I had to up the dosages to get good growth. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 167 |
Sounds like you need to work on your diet and training. If you can tell me that you made sure to get 4000+ CLEAN calories every day (plus 300g+ protein), trained your ass off every gym day and got at least 8 hours of sleep every night then I will say I am wrong. If you didn't do it 100% right then you can grow on 500mg. ------------------ Great Information on Injections and Syringes | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 188 |
Of-course you can grow on 500mg, but what do you think Ronnie Coleman or any other pro would look like if they only did 500mg? Sure you can grow on 500mg,but you can grow even more on 1050mg. ------------------ | ||
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Olympian
Posts: 1760 |
Exactly! I might gain a few pounds off 500mg but the results would be a hell of alot better off a gram or more per week. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 226 |
30 Nolva will not be enough. They are 20mgs or 10mgs? Either way get more. You can set up a great cycle with what you have. | ||
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Olympian
Posts: 1760 |
20mg i think.. but im not positive. i doubt i'll need the nolva, i didn't on my last cycle, i don't think im too prone to gyno. I was just gonna take it the last 4 weeks to get rid of some water. | ||
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Novice 
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spunky bro, that's a shitload of gear. do u have the genetics of coleman or any other pro? are you a legit competitor for the national scene? no flame intended, but if not, there's no need for that shit. those guys do it cause they're looking for contracts. that's their job. and are you taking any other countermeds? hopefully something for your blood pressure, and liver, and possible baldness. again, im in now way trying to flame you. you think coleman and the other pros aren't messes when they show up to the doctor's office. its just to me that seems excessive. but, to each his own. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 226 |
Ok thats good to know. If you want to have more permanent and solid gains you are going to need to add or stack something else in there in the lines of deca, eq, primo or winny. Basically you are stacking test with anadrol. You are going to bloat alot. Especially if you are only using the nolva for gyno and not to deal with water retention. You have a good base to start with but if you are only using anadrol for 2 wks then to me it appears to be a test only cycle. Defintely get something else as mentioned above. You typed 1050mgs of test. That is 800mgs of cyp and 250mgs of sust? | ||
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Olympian
Posts: 1760 |
bro I really don't think a gram of test is that much.. I dunno, maybe a mod can put input here?? My buddy doesn't compete, and he uses more gear then this.. He's just one big motherfucker, he doesn't care about contracts. He uses close to 2,000mg of test per week and several dbols a day. I really don't think im gonna do much growing on 500mg of test per week. Maybe if I used dbol throughout the whole cycle I could run 500mg but then my liver would be screaming. Im not worried about baldness by the way, i shave my head anyway. | ||
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Olympian
Posts: 1760 |
Yea its 800mg cyp and 250mg sust.. I figured i'd throw in the 10amps of sust i have. Its actually omnadren, same thing pretty much. I did test only last time, did good. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 226 |
Dont pay attention to ignorant or statements that cannot be backed by scientific or medical evidence or real world feedback. 1000mgs of test is way ok. Will provide you with access to greater gains and no need to worry about changes in side effects in the 500mgs difference. Monitoring sodium intake and making sure you drink enough water is what you should concentrate on. I would use nolva throughout to help reduce water retention and fat storage which can be an issue when estrogen levels are high. As I said above you are basically on a test alone cycle if you dont pay too much attention to the anadrol for 2 wks. You need to stack it with something else to make the most out of your 'first real cycle'. I am not a mod but I dont know anyone who wont tell you the same thing. Sure you can grow off test alone but will you be able to make more solid keepable gains if you stacked? Yes. | ||
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Olympian
Posts: 1599 |
I'd use the 'drol for 3 weeks...I'd do (if it were tabs), 50 mg/day for week 1, 100 mg/day for week 2, then back down to 50 mg/day for week 3...that's how I'll be hittin' the A-bombs come this Sunday... It looks like a good cycle, be sure to eat, eat, then eat some more...and F*CK "clean" foods, you'll get a concensus that when you're trying to bulk, forget about gaining fat, just gain, as much as you can! Then, worry about the fat! HAPPY GROWING! ------------------ | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 167 |
quote: Your name should be spin doctor because you CANNOT prove scientifically that 1000mg is a safe dosage...so stop acting like you just published a study in the American Journal of Applied Physiology. As for real world feedback, you are wrong again. If anything, you are ignorant of that fact that it is not the dosage that makes the difference, it is the diet and training. BTW, you guys never replied to my question about diet at moderate dosages. I guess it hurts to admit the truth. Go ahead and fuck up your own body but dont lie to the newbies about the dosages and what they can do for you. ------------------ Great Information on Injections and Syringes | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 223 |
look bro I can tell you that you are gonna get nothing out of that cycle except depression and gain loss when you come off, I dont realize why bros on here dont understand a good cycle will always contain a good dose of deca, primobolan, equipoise, or winstrol to help retain gains. YOur cycle consists of drugs that you lose 60% of gains when off, A good suicide cycle would be something like this 50 cc of 200mg deca 25 sustanon 25cc of enanthate 30cc of winstrol 20cc of cypionate 25cc of equipoise 100dbol tabs 100 halotestin tabs 25 cc of 100mg primobolan Now that is a suicide cycle, that you will keep all the gains. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 226 |
quote: Real world feedback? Test at 1000mgs is wrong? Scientific that 1000mgs is a safe dose? Perhaps because people have been doing it for decades. Is that not enough. Blood tests and regular check ups? I think you are very naieve. Many a expert have also recommended that newbies should use around 1000mgs of test in there first cycle. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 223 |
bros for any experienced juicer 1000mg of test is a normal dosage, you guys will find out that after about 3 cycle 500mgs aint gonna do shit. All these fuckers on here talkin shit about side effects and all, hell pro bb's take 36 ius of gh a day, not to mention 20 other drugs at once, now how in the fuck is 1000mg of test gonna hurt you when amatuers and pros are doing 1 million times that. You guys need to wake the fuck up and quit talkin shit about "ohh 1000mg of test is gonna kill you, side effects." its all bullshit, either you wanna get big or you wanna waste time on 250mg of test every week. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 167 |
Just because some people abuse steoids and use 1000mg+ per week does not mean it is normal or safe. If you believe that steroids are harmless and do not adversely affect you in the long run then you need to do a lot of learning. Just like everything else, it hurts when you use too much. You must remember that we are in a specific sub-culture of users and have NO IDEA how much the Pro's use. Maybe they just work hard..ever thought of that? Either way, abuse and misuse steroids if you want but don't tell people that 500 isn't going to do anything (even after yeatrs of juicing). That is, unless you started using high dosages like a jackass and are forced to keep abusing steroids to make gains. ------------------ Great Information on Injections and Syringes | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder 
Posts: 471 |
To all the people who think 1gram is hardcore it is not. That is not too much gear I have heard some gurus say that the only dif between a gram and 500mg is growth. Add 25mcg t3 a day to help with protine synth. might be a good idea to add insulin aslo. | ||
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Olympian
Posts: 1760 |
Who says you can't keep gains from bacially a test only cycle?? BULLSHIT! Total horse shit! You won't keep all of the water, of course not.. you'll lose weight at the end because of water.. but if you use the proper ancilleries you can keep muscle! I did it on my last cycle. If you look at the pics I posted 6 months ago and the pics I posted 2 weeks ago, you'll see that test only cycles work! I gained a good amount of weight off of nothing but Cypionate on my last cycle. So to those who say you aren't going to be able to keep the gains unless you had deca and primo and blah blah blah........ maybe so for some, but I seem to do good on nothing but test. | ||
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Cool Novice 
Posts: 14 |
One gram of test is far from hard-core. Who comes up with these arbitrary doses of 500mg anyways? Likely it stems from expensive gear like sustanon and the fact that the average person can only afford 2 amps per week. If you do over 2 grams of test per week plus 600mg deca, then you are approaching pro-level/hardcore. I have heard of no heavyweight pro or amateur who got where he is today by taking 500mg per week. And since you are not side-prone have fun and enjoy the ride. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 223 |
spunky how much do you weigh? and if you dont know by now taking only cypionate alone is not considered a cycle, that is merely a damn pacification of testosterone. If you think cypionate alone is gonna be sufficient enough for you after about 4 times of that puny shit, you arent gonna feel the effect at all. I didnt see your pics but I can tell you, you lose 50% of gains when using androgens, and if you dont know by now that you are just a puny ass juice sipper, cmon down to golds at venice California, and talk your bullshit in there. While I rep 225, 35 times for you, and then talk your cypionate only BS. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 78 |
I think the amount of gear you have chosen to use each wee is fine...but I would consider doing it in 2 short cycles ...say 4 weeks long each with a break of 2-3 weeks in between cycles...much easier on your body. | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 600 |
Spunky, take the advice from those guys like u would a grain of salt. So many on this board are armchair experts that don't have shit for size. One gram of test should be the base of any cycle, unless your cutting then u don't need so much. I am upping it to 1,500 for the next cycle, that was after two of 1,000 mg. These pussys saying 1,000 mg is too much are guys that will never grow, cuz first of all they don't know shit, and second they try to grow off pussy cycles. Look at it like this, Jason Mueller from anabolic extreme needs 4,000 mg per week to maintain a bodyweight at 300 lbs. So adjust it proportionally from that, and u have a rough idea of how much it does take to be a big boy. ------------------ [This message has been edited by The_Blond_Myth (edited February 15, 2001).] | ||
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Olympian
Posts: 1760 |
230lbs. who is talking shit? Whatever post I supposedly talked shit in, was taken the wrong way. I don't give a damn if u are in "venice." and I don't give a rats ass if you can rep 225 34 times.. thats just dandy, give u a motherfuckin cookie! I've greatly changed my body composition from using NOTHING but test, so therefore I have nothing to prove to you. Get your ass off your shoulders. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 145 |
post a picture of yourself. would love to see how big you are and or get from this cycle. many folks here take these large cycles nad look like shit. just curious what you look like. not saying your one but many folks think the only way to go on stage is to overdose like coleman. if every person did colemans cycle there would be many of him running around. well there is not so it shows no matter how much gear you take if you don't have gentetics why waste the money and possible health problems. shit even if you do why risk them. these guys look like shit with guts and all. abuse is the way to go ??? my personal theory is use what i need to grow and never abuse. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 534 |
No offense people, but the dosages in that cycle are moderate at best. Also, if he wants to take 1g of test a week, who are you to tell him not to? Also, I've tried finding research to prove/disprove test toxicity, but I'm afraid I haven't found any. This topic HAS been beaten to death. So, I suggest you all stop bickering and get along. This was a singularly funny thread. LOL Godspeed | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 145 |
Fonz, I agree with much of what you say on your posts though on this one don't agree. It appears and I am not saying this case pertains to it but many on this board think the only way to get big is to take excessive amounts of drugs. I think hard work and dedication are more important than killer cycles. These combined with gentecis makes a pro and the gear gives them an edge. I would never tell anyone what to do as its there body. But on this board we all have learned if you post you may get challenged. Its not a flame and its not meant to piss folks off. Its being objective. And I still enjoy your posts even when others challenge you. ( though this was not your post) | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 534 |
Nice post thundercloud. You are totally correct. Diet is 70% of the game. Bad diet=Bad gains. Steroids just let you be more sloppy on your diet. Just check out natural bodybuilders. They have amazing discipline because if they don't follow their diet exactly, they won't get any results. I also agree that genetics play a very big role in what type of gains you get from a determined amount of gear. I am lucky in the fact I am a mesomorph, and can grow explosively on high dosages (deca only...not test...)because my body is able to utilise the deca effectively. I'm sure I could grow of a smaller dosage, but I prefer faster growth and less cycles, to slower growth and more cycles. Just my opinion though. To each his own in the end I guess. Godspeed | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 664 |
Why is it that today people think that they need such higher doses than were taken 20 or 30 years ago? Now I am not taking sides on this issue since I am anxious to take the 1gram plunge with test but I am holding back to see just how far I can go while maintaining under a gram of total steroid usage per week. If Mike Menzer really achieved his physique on 500mg or so of total steroid usage per week then why can't people still do this today. Of course today competitors are a hell of a lot bigger than they were back then but most of the people on this board are not, yet they take 2 or 3grams of steroids a week. I guess the question is why is it necessary to take doses higher than past olympian competitors? Is it because we are not as deciplined or are we in a hurry to get big? I agree that to an extent, the higher the dose, the more a person will gain off of a cycle. However, where should the line be drawn? Should we use as little as possible to continue making gains or should we use as much as our bodies can process in order to maximize possible gains? I guess it is all a personal choice and no one can be decidedly correct or incorrect unless some of us start dropping dead. giantset ------------------ | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 600 |
If you serioulsy believe that all mentzer took was 500 mg a week, you really have your head in your ass. I WANT TO MAKE THIS CLEAR, we do not know how much those guys took, all you Men's fitness wannabe's need to wake up and smell the coffee. Yes all pros have good genetics, but lets define good genetics. GOOD GENETICS IN THE WORLD OF PRO BODYBUILDING MEANS THEY HAVE POTENTIAL TO GROW TO EXTREAME SIZES. This does not mean they grow off small dosages, it means they can keep upping it and continue to grow, where as the majority of us would hit a wall and would not grow anymore no matter how much we took. Todays pro's are taking anywhere from 6-10 GRAMS per week. Bodybuilding today is not a result of hard work, it is a result of massive amounts of drugs. But the drugs only do u good if you have the genetic potential to continually benefit from them. and enough bullshit with the old timers, arnold on 4 d-bol a day, give me a break, I am amazed at how stupid people on this board really are, I swear I could piss on your leg and tell u it was raining, with no arguement. Arnold was the one who came to the states pushing guys to up the dosages. Considering what he had available to him at that time, arnold abused just as much as todays pro's. arnold wanted something, and he did WHATEVER he had to do to get it. I've had enough dealing with you idiots. half you have no right to be reading this board, let alone posting on it giving advice ------------------ | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 600 |
Oh and one more thing giantset, you have arnold's name spelled wrong. SCHWARZENEGGER, so give us some more advice, while u can't even spell the name of the greatest bodybuilder of all time. ------------------ | ||
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Moderator 
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well 600mg of test enanthate a week has been found to be completely safe, New England Journal of Medecine. just food for thought. One might theorize that side effects from 600mg, being that aromatase and 5a reductase are in limited supply, would not change much as you move up and over a gram of test a week. Anecdotal info has shown this to be the case. Peace ------------------ | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 534 |
I stated a gram a week Macro, not 600mg. Godspeed | ||
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Cool Novice
Posts: 14 |
Myth, I could have not said it any better! And I love it when Macro speaks. Afterwards you hear the crickets chirping because there is nothing left to say. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 145 |
blond myth is it possible to answer without resorting to flaming? your thoughts are important but you lose respect when you present them as your 100% right and everyone else is a moron. the point again that if mega dose is the only way to go why is not everyone a pro? if mega dose is the way to go, are you saying that coleman in this case who is number 1 takes more than everyone else? are you saying that there pros because of the drugs and nothing else? if so again why are there not more of them? to me thats a staement made by someone who thinks the only way to get anything is to take more of something than anyone else. not everyone ehre is as stupid as you think. i wold love to see pictures of those who take massive amount. my guess would be a great percent look like shit and i would further guess that though i am now natural my contest days which have been every year the last 4 and on very small dose amounts would still outbeat most on this board because i work my ass of. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 136 |
Huck should comment on this. He is the boss in this area. | ||
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Olympian
Posts: 1760 |
Thundercloud: I work my ass off! Im in the gym pounding the iron just as hard as anybody on this board. I've posted my pics before, search for them. I know I don't look my best right now, I've only done 2 cycles! The whole point of this discussion was to say.. I would grow alot better on 1,000 mg then 500 mg! It has nothing to do with my work ethic. Wether im taking 200mg of test a week or wether im taking 2,000mg of test a week im still gonna use a good diet and workout just as hard as I was when I was natural. It has nothing to do with how hard im working out... im just saying i would grow better off more, so would everyone else. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 145 |
hey, i find no fault in what you take its your body and you can do with it as you please. i will tell you i take less than you and look much better but we all have different genetics. my diet is just as importants as my past cycles. do what works best for you i just think its important to say that not everyone needs to take high dose to see results and if i was gonna one day be pro maybe i would feel different. | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
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The_Blond_Myth said it best!!! 1000mg/week is nothing more than an effective dose of Testosterone. What gives better gains A or B? A) Short Intense Training, Sufficient Calories and Protein Intake, Sleep 8+ hours per night and 500mg of Test/week. B) Short Intense Training, Sufficient Calories and Protein Intake, Sleep 8+ hours per night and 1000mg of Test/week. Obviously, B will give better gains. I am not a lazy bodybuilder. I am a logical bodybuilder. Do what works. I have seen stacks of guys with 5000mg per week. This guy isn't a pro but he is 245lbs and only 6% bodyfat at 6' tall. You can get good growth between 500-1000mg per week that I agree on. But 1000mg isn't more dangerous it's just more expensive. ------------------ | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 600 |
How do I have to say it? I thought I made it perfectly clear in an earlier post. Pro's have the genetic potential to continue to grow at the point most of us hit a wall. This means for us, more drugs = hitting a wall and burning out. For genetic freaks aka pro's more drugs = more growth to the point where the body is so developed it can''t possibly hold anymore muscle. New drugs and experiments are changing this however. The day of a 5'11" bodybuilder competeing at 300 lbs is soon to come. I feel I have great genetics for the sport, I have gained more size naturally then most have with a couple cycles under their belt. I continue to grow, despite being "on" basically all the time. So YES for me I am going to push the envelope and see how far I CAN GO with it. Recreational juicers do not need 3,4,5+ grams. But I feel 1,000mg is nothing more then an effective dose. When approaching 2,000mg the majority of us will pretty much reached the peak of our genetic potential. For the blessed (like me I hope) Well with 2,000mg WE ARE JUST GETTING STARTED. Keep this thread alive, I haven't posted for months, this is something to write about. ------------------ | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 226 |
quote: Perhaps you should consider giving up your job as a guru and take up mind reading instead. No dont. No one has said you wont grow off 500mgs of test so dont put words into my mouth or anyone elses. While I have nothing against you as a person I have soemthing against your views. After all this is a discussion board. DREXX you said it perfectly as did Blond myth | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 223 |
let me clear up something about dosages, if the guy thinks all mentzer took was 500mg then you can take that to the paper shredder. My friend lived with arnold for a month, and trained with him for 3 months. He said each day before working out arnold would take up to 100 dbol at a time, he would have a huge jar on his kitchen counter full of dbol, he would reach in the jar and pull out a handful, that could contain up to 100dbols, at a time and would wash em down with milk.ohh yeah look at all the arnold photos, you see the golden hurricane shorts the blue ones, my friend who I am speaking about gave arnold and franco those shorts. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 58 |
i am with the other bro's. personally 500 mgs. is not gonna cut it for the majority of us who been using heavy shit.my last cycle i ran 1000 grams. of sus. 75mgs. of dbol every day, 600 mg.s of deca, and 1 c.c of winny every other day. i am from jersey and cycles like this are the norm. amongst guys in my gym. i am running my next cycle to begin in 4 wks. at 2000 mgs. of test, 6 ius of gh, 15 ius of slin, 100 mcgs. of t3, and 50 mgs. of anadrol. per day. if u wanna run with the big boys u gotta being willing to pay the price. any one who is at this point knows. | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
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I thought I made it perfectly clear that I was not advocating the use of high or low dosage cycles as I have not yet used high doses and thus decided how I feel about them. I respect peoples decision to use 3 or 4 grams a week but I personally do not yet need those doses and probably will not since I don't want to weigh 280-300 lbs. There is more to bodybuilding than sheer mass. I don't know how much guys used back then and unless you were there then you sure as hell don't either. I can just go by what those guys say they used. It really doesn't matter since I don't have their genetics and I might require more or less than them. I have known some guys that competed back in the 70's and 80's that didn't do 3 or 4 grams and they looked damn good. I realize that many guys did but my point is it is not necessary for everyone. Hell some guys grow off of winstrol alone. I don't compete so 240-250 with 8% bf is all I am looking for right now. TBM, I realize that you subscribe to J. Mueller's theory of steroid use and I think that he will definately show you how to push the envolope up to 300 lbs. However, some of us don't want to have to use 2 grams of test just to maintain what we have acheived. Pull your head out of your ass and look around. Not everyone wants what you want and sees things the way you see them. Once you get through college I am sure you will drop your childish attitude and learn to widen your narrow mind. Oh and thanks for the correction on my sig. I pasted the quote directly from an article and didn't bother to spell check. Good luck to you all with whatever doses you choose to do. Stay healthy. giantset | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 223 |
I say any cycle should consist of 1000mg or more of test, along with the other drugs you stack | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 534 |
Well said Giantset. Godspeed | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 223 |
well I will say that any high dose is gonna give side effects, thats why you have to take the nolva etc...I myself already have gyno so I just stack higher and higher, so what can one do except get it cut out, I never took nolva when I was younger, and after a huge test deca and anadrol cycle, maybe a year after I was off, the gyno arose, so then I was fucked. | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 600 |
Ok Giantset, I can agree with your last post. What pisses me off is those who say "you're doing too much" Unless your me, you don't know what I need or how much I can benefit from. I don't see any reason to be in bodybuilding or any other sport unless your goal is to be the best you can be. Are you training cuz you have some free time? are you doing it just to be doing something? If you or anyone else wants to do low dosages that is fine with me, I am just sick and tired of guys preaching all this bullshit about how dangerous it is, and telling guys like Spunky that they are using way to much. As was said earlier, what is the dosage of 500-600 mg a week of test based off of? Because the gym price is 15-25 dollars for one amp, who the hell could afford to do anymore then one or two amps a week? yes, bodybuilding is hard work and dedication, I was natural for two years, I gaind about 50 lean pounds. However, Since I took my first shot I now have experiece from both sides. Not to rip on guys or degrade the sport, but bodybuilding always was and always will be centered around drugs for success. ------------------ | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
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whats up w/ people ripping on higher doses, i bet its b/c their the ones that'll never go that high cause there scared or just dont want to continue to grow. if you dont agree state that, dont make it seem like your almighty and that you know best cause everybody's different----DIFFERENT STROKES FOR DIFFERENT FOLKS i dont think a gram is to extreme, actually SPUNKY id add something else also--like deca or something like that...
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Elite Bodybuilder
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Amateur Bodybuilder
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Bros, I know people who dont train hard and take tons of stuff and they look like shit. Training, food, and genetics are the 3 most important things. Drugs are a catalyst that help gains. Christ, I gained a hell of a lot of 200mg of deca/wk and it was my third cycle. Of course 1000mg is better than 500mg, but I think that 500mg is fine also. When you taper off, start some anabolic that will help you keep gains.......primobolan depot and use that to bridge with clomid all the way through. Good Luck The Juggernaut | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 559 |
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 165 |
I agree 1 gram a week isn't to much but I wish you guys doing the 1 gram cycles would post before and after pictures so we can see how genetically blessed yall are. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 147 |
i'm with the blond myth on this 1 , that is an avg cycle at best! | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 242 |
I agree with CN1 about Arnold- I have heard that too. He would just reach in, and grab anywhere from 50-100 dbol and drink em down LOL. 1g of test is a normal dose with many that I know, in fact 1g is a "small" dose LOL. I have never gone over 2g a week, and most of the time stay closer to 1g, which wa hard because I only had sten! A regular partner of mine is always around 2500-4000mg a week of test as he says it is the superior drug, well, he eats taco bell and carls jr and is still ripped because of that dose. So 1g sounds fine to me, but everyone is different, I think you just need to listen to what your body tells you and you will be OK. ;-) |
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posted February 14, 2001 11:48 PM