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 It's amazing how eating clean can effect your gains while "on"...
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Cool Novice 
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I am on an 8wk Prop/Eq/Tren/T3 cycle. The first week and a half on the cycle I basically devoured anything I put my eyes on (hamburgers, pasta, pancakes...anything). I blew up, but didn't feel I looked good. I was up 10lbs in the first week, but I looked like a big walking water ballon. My face blew up as well. Well, for the last week and a half (I am now 3 weeks into my cycle) I started eating very clean (only things like protien shakes w/ skim milk, chicken, tuna, brown rice, oatmeal, yams, red potato ect.) and there is already a noticable change in my physique. I am not gaining as much weight as I do when I eat anything I want, but the gains seem to be more quality and my body fat appears to be lowering. My face has lost a noticable amount of water and I look more vascular and lean. From now on I plan on eating clean while on. I don't like eating these boring foods, but I love the results I'm seeing from doing it. Do you guys notice a big change from a "see-food" diet to a strict diet while on. What do you guys prefer? - Rojan     | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder 
Posts: 563 |
How profound | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder 
Posts: 194 |
problem is.... you get so f****n hungry that you want to eat anything you can get your hands on! ------------------ | ||
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Olympian 
Posts: 1656 |
What a concept!!!!! J/K It isnt that hard to understand. Diet and sleep are the 2 most important things in a cycle. Remember to have that clomid ready for the end!!! ------------------ "Catch a man a fish, he eats for a day. Teach a man to fish, and he eats for a lifetime." [This message has been edited by lawnsaver (edited February 15, 2001).] | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 563 |
barbells, yeah, i know but you have to be prepared and have plenty of protien snacks around so you dont hit the greasy burgers with 30gms of fat | ||
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Cool Novice
Posts: 20 |
Lawnsaver, Ofcoarse I have hcg and clomid ready for post cycle. I am not a newbie to cycling, but am a newbie to eating clean while on. I usually just eat as much as I can of anything I want while on to attain the most mass I can put on, then while I am off I just clean up my diet, use eca, and do some cardio to carve off the fat I put in the previous cycle. What I was trying to say above is that I think I like the concept of putting lean muscle while minimizing BF gains by eating clean while on, rather than doing it the way I did in the past. I don't feel as big, but dammit I feel GOOD!- Rojan | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 129 |
food is more anabolic than the AS | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 194 |
yeah its definitely a question of what you want to achieve ............. ------------------ | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 493 |
Bam. You've seen the light. It cracks me up everytime I see someone posting, "I gained 45lbs on my cycle" and what not. I only consider LBM (lean body mass) 10 lbs of LBM on a cycle is good, 30 extra pounds of fat isn't. Why make life during post cycle so difficult for yourself? Anyways.....for sure, diet and sleep are so overlooked it isn't even funny. ------------------ | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 194 |
fab i couldnt have said it better myself........... ------------------ | ||
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Olympian
Posts: 1656 |
I totally agree. I only stated the clomid phrase, because of all the newbies being ingnorant to it. I was just making sure! I dont agree with the statement that there are only 2 types of cycles, bulking and cutting. I believe that one can put on quality muscle while loosing body fat in the same manner you are. If I take test and eq, I can still put on 15lbs while losing fat . Sorry I started rambling... Bottom line is I like the clean diet concept, which makes your gains more profound. ------------------ "Catch a man a fish, he eats for a day. Teach a man to fish, and he eats for a lifetime." | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 194 |
lawnsaver, sound like a plan to me. i like the logic behind it too. ------------------ | ||
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Cool Novice
Posts: 20 |
LS, I hear ya bro. - Rojan | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder 
Posts: 776 |
ill bump this... ------------------ | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 263 |
Ok, big question for me here. Where did your water retention come from in your face? What AS??? The prop??? Sounds like a cutting cycle to me? so where did you get the water from? Or am I just being an idiot? Is it possible to get water retention in face and other parts of your body by eating badly ( yes i know a high sodium intake does it but i mean other things, calories, fats) ? ------------------ | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 160 |
Unless you want to die from heart disease due to the elevated LDL levels caused by steroid use then you shouls ALWAYS eat clean during a cycle. Good job! ------------------ Great Information on Injections and Syringes | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 263 |
Bump for a reply for me!!! ------------------ | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 1097 |
Shoulda told me this info before my first cycle. I pulled a serious Lee Priest on that one, complete with daily trips to KFC and Krispy Kreme. Took alot of t3 to get back to 10% bf. Definately not a good experience. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 126 |
Man... I wish I woulda known this kinda stuff 5 months ago before I did my first cycle. It was Deca & Winny, and I'd read that "Deca is only effective on a high calorie diet." Well, I (foolishly) took that as the green light to EAT anything and everything... in addition to high protein, I ate ice cream, cookies, candy bars, butter, fried chicken, etc., thinking that I had better get "high calories." Well, wouldn't you know it, 3 months later, I'd put on 25 pounds... maybe 7 muscle, the rest FAT! Now I'm at a disgusting 22%, and I'm in a battle to lose it before spring. No more "bulking" cycles for me... clean eating from now on. ------------------ | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 263 |
Damnit Rojen, cmon. Respond to me!!!!jk. But I really would like to know where the water retention came from. I hope it didnt come from the prop. Im trying to eat pretty clean right now. Im on IP's 200mg/ml prop) not sure if its doesd correctly) right now. I think I might be getting a little water retention. I cant stand it. But I want to know where you got the water from. and, is diet linked to water retention? ( besides the obvious sodium content thing) ------------------ | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 340 |
On my first course I used the "see food diet", with noticable bloat. This time around, I have been eating clean and am quite happy with ther results. BF is down, and LBM is up. Sweet! | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 263 |
Bump for response for me!!! ------------------ | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 220 |
bros its all in what you prefer, me for example, I am a bit lean, but not really, but getting big at the same time, I like to eat anything in sight, and I rather have a huge test bloat than walkin around lookin like those fuckers that want to have a 6 pac and lookin like a 155 lb cut up bastard(i do have a 6 pac though at 230lbs), but thats why I love workin out at golds gym in venice, you see what pro bb look like and eating that bullshit low calorie food aint gonna cut it, it you wanna be SWOL! | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 522 |
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Cuts: Man... I wish I woulda known this kinda stuff 5 months ago before I did my first cycle. It was Deca & Winny, and I'd read that "Deca is only effective on a high calorie diet." Well, I (foolishly) took that as the green light to EAT anything and everything... in addition to high protein, I ate ice cream, cookies, candy bars, butter, fried chicken, etc., thinking that I had better get "high calories." Well, wouldn't you know it, 3 months later, I'd put on 25 pounds... maybe 7 muscle, the rest FAT! Now I'm at a disgusting 22%, and I'm in a battle to lose it before spring. No more "bulking" cycles for me... clean eating from now on.[QUOTE] Bro, I had the exact, exact experience. It makes me feel like if you were my other me. Remember Fight Club??? ------------------ | ||
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Cool Novice
Posts: 20 |
Hey EmptyWallet, I responded by email...but just to let the others know I am on 1200mg of Prop/wk w/ no anti-estrogen. That's what is causing the bloat! I just picked up a box of arimidex though and am going to use 1/2 a tab per day, so between the arimidex and eating clean, I have a feeling I will be looking nice in the weeks to come. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 230 |
OK guys, tell me if I have gone astray. I haven't done a cycle for a while and in the meantime I have started to eat really clean as a lifetsyle change. I am down to 4% bodyfat. I got down to this slowly, but did it all naturally and lost lots of muscle. I am due to start a 12 week cycle, but want to stay lean. I don't mind counting calories daily. I thought I would eat, say 500 calories above my maintainence level. If my reasoning is right (please correct me if I am wrong), there are 4000 calories of protein in a kilogram of muscle. Your body uses 75% on average of the calorie content of its food in digestion (assuming fat intake isn't too high). That means if I want to gain half to two-thirds of a kilogram (1.1-1.5lbs) of lean mass each week, then if I eat 400-500 calories a day above my maintainence level then this should provide enough calories for muscle growth without many left over for fat gain. I plan to eat clean. VERY low fat, except for 15% of calories as flax oil. Very high protein intake too, of course. Is my figuring correct? Constructive feedback please, no flaming. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 135 |
That is what I consider a T.C.C. Cycle (Total Composition Change). Adding quality mass while losing fat. ------------------ |
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posted February 14, 2001 06:33 PM
