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Amateur Bodybuilder 
Posts: 78 |
How many alcoholic drinks would it take in one day to equal the liver stress from 30 mgs of dbol per day? Just curious about how toxic dbol is to the liver compared to alcohol.     | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 142 |
I do not know, but take milk thistle when taking dbol. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 140 |
whats the point of the ? just dont drink while on gear. and take alot of milk thistle. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 78 |
Im not saying I drink, read the question, a comparison. I know about milk thistle thank you. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 140 |
well im real fucking sorry i read your question wrong. whats the point of the comparison. thats what i want to know. im not being a dick im just curious. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 78 |
2bpro, my friend we all know that 17aa's are stressful to our livers. Alcohol is the only thing I can think of to compare the stress to. I am always wanting to know more about the supplements I choose to use. Im sorry if my question baffles you. Not meant to | ||
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Olympian 
Posts: 1966 |
I'm with slappydog. If a 5mg/dbol is equal to 1/2 a beer then I know I can load up with no problem. If a 5mg/dbol puts as much stress as a shot of 151 then I know I can't go all out. I agree with the comparison since I just started drol today. Later, Green 2bpro it's a simple comparison between a substance I have a lot of experience with compared to a compound I've never used before. ------------------ | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder 
Posts: 388 |
slapdog i think it is a very good question. i think knowing an exact comparison would be great. i heard that one anadrol equals 1vodka martini in terms of liver stress. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 78 |
Thanks Green, now maybe we can get someone with the knowledge to respond. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 214 |
I've also wondered the same thing. Bump for more info ------------------ | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 107 |
Bump this up, a very good question. Now I'm curious. ------------------ | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 190 |
i don't know...but i sure we have some alcoholics on here..so guys this one is for you..bump ------------------ | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 214 |
I don't even drink, but I find it humorous how drunks can criticize juicers, when it'd be very interesting to know how much worse gear is than Alcohol. If i'm going to ruin my liver it'd rather have an olympic physique, rather than a beer belly. It's great how people who drink a 12 pack a day, and smoke 2 packs of cigarettes a day, can criticize us for wanting to be big, when what they're doing is probably a lot more unhealthy. And they look like shit, while I get more stares from chicks now then I ever have. ------------------ | ||
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Olympian
Posts: 1966 |
UP.....sOMEONE HAS TO KNOW.. fucking caps.... ------------------ | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 214 |
bump, someone has to have an idea about this ------------------ | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 101 |
bump ------------------ | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 214 |
another bump. . .someone has to know this ------------------ | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 124 |
I NEVER TRIED BEER BEFORE SO I DONT KNOW... BBBWWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! no really, i have no clue to your question... | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 214 |
bump again. . . ------------------ | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 86 |
Different effect on the body. Alcohol is basically broken down by the liver and turned into a sugar, w/ the help of h20 and some enzymes (ever feel dehydrated). Overall it is not toxic in moderation as the liver can and obviously will breakdown the alcohol molecule. In abundance it will not be able too keep up. EG: Destroys the liver and other important organs. AS are different. The specifically toxic ones I think you are refering too are the C-17 alpha alkylated types. Mostly orals. They are toxic to the liver, and it has trouble breaking this molecule down. It is the effect the specific AS are looking for as it will take multiple passes through the liver to be neutralized, the drug will have an opportunity to pass throught the body and take it's prescribed course of action. FINALLY, the question isn't how to quanify which is more toxic. In moderation both can and will be tolerated by a healthy liver. The stresses put on by a combination of both are ill adviced. The stress added by an usual dose of either would be ill adviced. For instance, don't drink a 12 pack everyday for 10 years, and don't take 50mgs of Dianabol for 8 weeks without blood test to check liver enzymes. You can have the periodic binge if you choose out with the boys. You can stack a cycle with two or 3 17AA's if you choose, the point here is don't. The liver is vital and you must choose your AS carefully to avoid putting more stress on it than it can handle. I usually will do a cycle with an oral 17aa, for only 4 weeks and than not hit another for at least 2 months. Some would disagree, I am more interested in long term gains than short term goals. . .Good Luck . . .hope this helped i found this on a search from kodiak | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 78 |
Outstanding, thanks very much. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 78 |
Bump...for any other knowledgable replies. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 196 |
Bro's, Ok A-17's are not quite as bad as everyone makes out they do put more stress on your liver but not that much that it will shrivel up overnight. The impact on a healthy liver is VERY small if you use a A-17 based AS as long as you keep it short no longer than 4 weeks. it will raise your liver enzyme while you are on it but it will normally return to normal quickly. Put it this way drinking 4pint's a day will do your liver a lot more harm than doing d'bol for 4 weeks I was also reading last night that deca is also very safe it has been known to be used on people with liver disfunction with no damage to the liver also enanthate is also the same the damage to your liver is minamal when useing injection based AS (Not whinny though) This mean's that if you did d'bol to start your cycle and carryed it on with deca your liver will return to it's normall fuction within a couple of day's while you are still using the deca Im gonna read up on this and research more and more into the subject but it does look like toxicity to the liver is greatly overstated with the correct and reasonable use of injectable AS How many Pro-BodyBuilder's die from liver failer and they do more in one cycle than most of us do in a year. Plus most pro's stay on all year round. ------------------ | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 78 |
Thanks MIKIA | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder 
Posts: 652 |
Dave Palumbo once said that an A-50 is equal to a vodka martini. I guess that means around 2-3 beers. I don't know if that helps. giantset ------------------ |
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posted February 12, 2001 09:57 AM
