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crash71

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posted February 10, 2001 11:37 AM

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Hey you posted a reply for me about a two week cycle that cited the importance of not passing 14 days. Just curious...How would you dose 10cc of T-200 Brovel for a short cycle like that? Thanks again.
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HUCKLEBERRY FINNaplex

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posted February 10, 2001 12:04 PM

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Meanone doubles up on his enanthate,hitting it on day one,and I believe at week 1 as well.For me,I'm not sure I would feel confident with that from a clearance standpoint(note-this is not to take away from meanone's knowledge,as he is extremely knowledgable,one of the brightest guy's on this entire board).If I were to hit Enanthate at all,I would only mega-dose it on day 1.I personally like to stay away from any ester chains longer than prop on the short cycles.I'll let one of the world's leading guru's(and the biggest proponent of the short cycle theory),Bill Roberts,explain better than I can,lol...

"If you're using a testosterone ester like enenthate with a half-life of about 5 days,figure levels to have dropped to about half in five days,one fourth in 10 days,etc.So at 600mgs/week,10days after the injection,you're probably still pretty strongly suppressed,equivalent to being at the 150mgs/week level.At 15 days,you're a little supressed,equivalent to being at the 75mgs/week level,and at 20 days after the last injection,you're pretty much back in full production."

So to answer your question,me personally,if I were going to use enanthate at all on a short cycle,I would use it ALL on day 1.And as your androgen levels began to normalize (around day 20)I would institute clomid therapy to aid in recovering test production.Just my.02...

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crash71

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posted February 10, 2001 12:25 PM

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I am only familiar with the T-200 which is the enthanate right? If I wanted a shorter acting Cypionate what would name would that carry? Thanks for all of the great info.
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HUCKLEBERRY FINNaplex

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posted February 10, 2001 12:41 PM

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T-200 is enanthate.Cypionate has a slightly longer activity life than enathate,so I personally wouldn't use it on a short cycle.The only ester chains I would use are:

Acetates-1 to 2 day activity length

Propionates-2 to 3 day activity length

Phenylpropionate-3 to 4 day activity length

Enanthate(as expained above)is a border-liner for me personally.I would only use it if I couldn't locate these other ester chains first.Of course all of the orals,as well as test suspension and liquid winstrol are perfectly suitable as well...

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crash71

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posted February 10, 2001 01:55 PM

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Hey Huck,
Sorry to sound so ignorant, but down in this area of the country T-200 is dominant for obvious reasons. I am sure that others are available, but I wouldn't even know what to ask for from the local stoners that make the trip accross to Mexico. Do you know the name or manufacturer of a test suspension? I know that probably sounds ridiculous, but you wouldn't believe how often we see Deca and T-200 and nothing else.
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HUCKLEBERRY FINNaplex

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posted February 10, 2001 02:03 PM

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I may be wrong,but isn't T-'100' suspension?Another co,Univet,makes a product called Unitest which is a suspension.I'm sure some of the guys here know quite a few other brands as well...


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BerkeleyJuice

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posted February 10, 2001 03:27 PM

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No, I'm pretty sure that T-100 is propinate. But that my be T-50. Check into it bro. All are made by Brovel.


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hambone

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posted February 10, 2001 03:27 PM

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crash, heres a good article by bill roberts on short cycles you might wanna read
http://www.testosterone.net/html/body_92cycle.html

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MeanOne

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posted February 10, 2001 03:50 PM

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T200 - underdosed Enanthate (tested at 178mgs/ml)

T100 - underdosed Propinate (tested at 78mgs/ml)

T50 - underdosed Propinate (Tested at 39mgs/mL)

Now then, when I use Enanthate in short cycles I do a mega dose on day one, and a msaller follow up dose on day 5. It's not my place to argue with Bill P. but his idea that the half life of a drug is so mathematical and systematic is incorrect. There is a certain amount of the drugs that will be broken apart, bound up, and converted into other hormones, if not simply pissed out. Several studies now have shown Enathate to disappear from the bloodstream in 7-8 days. However, this is dependant on such things as enzymes, metabolism...yada yada, which you can't really control.

A decent beginning dose might be 1 gram of enathate on day one (IE 6cc's being it's underdosed), and another 500 mgs on day 5 (IE 3 cc's). Use this as you base androgen, then add Winstrol and maybe Fina to the mix. Deca is NOT acceptable.

However, this is just what I do, and the things I do should not be copied by others. Propinate/Suspension is a btter overall choice, but have nolvadex around to help reduce water gain, so you keep most of what you gain (otherwise you might get discouraged by the water weight lost, thinking it's muscle). Jurox produces Suspension, however, greasing the needle is your best bet for administering it as it clogs in even 22g needles. I can't think of a Mexican company producing suspension, but I know there is one...give me a few minutes and I'll come back with it, hopefully (just woke up).


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MeanOne

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posted February 10, 2001 04:15 PM

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Well couldn't find it, but Jurox gear is very avaliable in Mexico.


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Big Johnson

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posted February 10, 2001 04:26 PM

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I got the very worst case of strep throat I've EVER had after 2 weeks of T-50 and T-100. The doc thought I had mono I was so fucked up. It ruined my fucking cycle. Fuck that shit. Do sust. I know the Ts are cheap, but I've heard of more people who have gotten flu and shit lately. Dirty-ass shit.


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