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Topic: Animal's post against eating 5-6 meals a day!
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 579 From:usa Registered: Nov 2000
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posted February 09, 2001 12:09 AM |
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I found this old post today and would like to know what do you guys think about it? ---------------------------------------------Subject: 5-6 MEALS A DAY MAKES YOU FAT!!!!!! How 5-6 meals a day makes you fat! That's right, and you read it here first. They make you fat. After I proved the farce of the ketogenic diets I began to think, 'What type of diet was I on that made me the leanest and put on the most mass!' Then one of the ketogenic diets authors sent me a nasty email which said, 'What diet won't shut down your thyroid, genius.' Well, if nothing else, he was at least smart enough to realize that those almighty diets do shut down your thyroid. I felt pity for him because it was sad how he was still clinging to dreams of ketosis even though he had been scammed. But realized there was hope for him when he called me 'genius'! He still had the power of rational thinking left and I'd be damned if I didn't help this poor soul. Hmmm. What diets don't shut down your thyroid? First, what do we know about how the thyroid shuts down when dieting? There are 3 ways; lack of carbohydrate, heat (DNP and external) and DNP binding to T4 protein and excreting it which is actually good, but that is another story. We aren't going to take DNP so those two are out and we are left with lack of carbohydrates. We are also not going to take CLA or pyruvate so we are left with a pure diet with no catches. How can we keep the carbs going. We all know of one diet that won't shut things down and that is the 'Up and down' type diet. We eat normal one day and lower our calories the next an repeat. This maintains all the hormones, but could take quite a long time. We need a faster and possibly simpler way. Why not eat 5-6 small meals a day? Because it makes you fat! Now we are going to use the ketogenic authors arguments against them. Insulin does what? It drives glucose and needed nutrients into the cells, including fat cells, AND it stops lipolysis!!!! It stops lipolysis!!!!! If I am eating 5-6 times a day I am going to be stopping lipolysis every single time I eat again because I will get an insulin rise which, can you all say it? Stops lipolysis!! You cannot burn fat if you are eating all day! Now, I am back to thinking about when I was the leanest. About 5 years ago when I was finishing college, but why? Because I only ate 1-2 meals a day! That's right and when you see the logic you will see the light always and realize that another scam has been perpetuated upon all of us in order to cell meal replacements. When did all this 5-6 meals a day really start to hit. When those meal replacements became all the rage. Throw them out because you don't need them anymore!! We will start our diet in the morning. The night before we replenished all our carbs before going to sleep. It is morning and we wake up and our body is in what mode? Fat burning mode!!! The first thing you usually learn is that if you want to burn the most fat off with aerobics you do it in the morning before you eat. Since we are in fat burning mode why would we want to ruin it with food that would raise insulin? And for what? What exercise are you going to do which you are going to need all that energy for? Remember you are fully carbed from last night. If you are fully carbed up and you eat carbohydrates then where are the carbs going? They can't go to muscle so they are going to FAT! Your morning meal makes you fatter!! So what do we do? You most likely are going to sit in a car and go sit in an office for 8 hours or so. The only thing which needs sugar is your brain and it doesn't need much. To keep in and enhance the fat burning you are going to drink coffee and take an ephedrin or PPA and add some yohimbine. The coffee suppress blood sugar and the E and Y and PPA cause a release of noradrenaline which is a potent fat burning hormone. If you get hungry you can have a protein drink, but no sugar. Fructose goes to fat automatically and the protein keeps the glucagon level up which is another fat burner. You don't want too much protein, though or that can go to sugar which is going to go to fat, as well. What do I do for lunch? You want to stay in fat burning mode right? First let's look at what others recommend. Eat your largest meal at lunch! Absolutely and totally wrong. What happens about an hour later. You are so tired from the insulin that you can hardly think and it takes all you can do to stay awake. Not only that, but all the carbs you ate are going to fat! What did you do to deplete the liver or muscle of carbs from the morning until now? NOTHING. You sat at your desk and maybe walked across the street to buy lunch. Your muscles need nothing so it all goes to fat and you ruined your fat burning as well with the insulin from the meal. You eat a light low glycemic high fat meal, like a salad for lunch and have some more ECY and maybe another protein drink. 2 hours - 45 minutes before you are going to work out you eat a low glycemic meal like oatmeal or an apple. This is scientifically proven to improve performance and will help you burn more fat. You workout and then you get to eat! Your muscles are primed for growth and now you want the insulin to be spiked so you get more glucose and AA's into them. We also know that most if not all of the recovery substrates need to be supplied to the muscle in a two hour window and then again before 6 hours. Immediately after your workout you consume up to 400 calories in a glucose/protein drink. 2 hours later you hit the damaged muscle again with your regular meal. Your muscles are now loaded with glucose and protein and they are waiting for you to take some ghb and go to bed so they can get some GH. That's it!. No BS. No pain. Look at it again. You are all carbed up. In the morning you are in or near ketosis and you want to keep it there. Eating would ruin it so you don't eat and besides, the insulin and carbs from the meal have nowhere to go so any calories would just go to fat. You don't do anything strenuous in the morning so you don't eat a high carb lunch which keeps you in ketosis. Eat a low glycemic meal 45 minutes before your workout. The time to eat and recover is AFTER you have worked out and that is when and how you do it. Simple carbs and protein and then your meal. Sleep. No expensive powders or pills or special foods. Can't get much simpler. This is now copyrighted material and I am serving notice that this cannot be reprinted, or posted, without my permission. Do it and I sue ya! There are supplements and steps to follow to get the most out of your thyroid and liver, but that will be later. If you have something to say about this being wrong then get some science to prove it or shut up. Just as I had science to expose the fallacies of ketogenic diets, I also have all the science to back this up. Anarchy in the USA
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Amateur Bodybuilder
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posted February 09, 2001 12:19 AM |
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PURE CRAP, MAYBE WORKS FOR SOME PEOPLE, BUT FOR ME, IT DOSENT.
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Posts: 707 From: Registered: Sep 2000
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posted February 09, 2001 12:34 AM |
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I have read most of the article, but I have to go study so i didnt' read the end part. But I think he is wrong on some points. First off, yes eating a high CHO meal will prevent fat breakdown. That is why its not good to eat a high CHO meal before doing cardio. Thats why I like to do cardio in the morning, or 30min. after a protein shake. But saying that eating 4-6meals a day will make you fatter is just not true. The only thing that will make you fatter, is if your consumming more Energy than you are buring off. IN simple: if Energy in is greater than energy out, you will become over weight(this process takes a while) If I remember correctly, 1pound of fat is = to 3500Kcals... So anyway, its all about energy balance. Its hard to eat 3meals a day and get all of your Kcal requriments. So eating 4-6times a day will not make you FAT!!!!!!! [This message has been edited by bsjohnson (edited February 09, 2001).]
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Posts: 229 From:Manhattan Beach, CA Registered: Sep 2000
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posted February 09, 2001 02:23 AM |
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Everybody's bodies are different and react differently to varies diets/nutritional theories. Just because one type of meal frequency doesn't work for one person doesn't mean it won't work for everyone.
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 433 From:Deep within the Ttokkyo Labs Registered: Sep 2000
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posted February 09, 2001 02:35 AM |
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quote: Originally posted by Shredder21: Everybody's bodies are different and react differently to varies diets/nutritional theories. Just because one type of meal frequency doesn't work for one person doesn't mean it won't work for everyone.
Well said. I feel better & get better results when I eat at least 4 to 5 small meals, but I try to get around 6ed. It's just tough to do with those damn lectures & labs.
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 630 From:Austin, Texas Registered: Sep 2000
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posted February 09, 2001 02:50 AM |
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Just say NO to food. No eating no times a day.
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 94 From:Gold Coast Queensland Australia Registered: Jun 2000
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posted February 09, 2001 04:39 AM |
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I prefer the diet which is modified this so you eat basically no carbs through the day and just eat normal carb containing meal at night. Still eat 5 - 6 times a day just make them all low carb till night ir just a fter your workout when you have ample amounts. This diet is easier to stick to and effective for most people.Not eating all day seems a litlle to catabolic and nutrient starved for me.
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 110 From:THE DARK AND DREARY WILD YOU CALL DEATH Registered: Feb 2001
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posted February 09, 2001 04:41 AM |
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I JUST FUCKING EAT!!!AND GROW ------------------ IF YOU HAPPEN TO HAVE THE BLOOD TYPE OF O NEGATIVE E-MAIL ME AT [email protected]
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 916 From:uk Registered: Sep 2000
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posted February 09, 2001 04:58 AM |
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Complete BS. I have the fastest metabolism ever. Currently on 7-8 meals per day 50g protein per meal about 100g carbs and mostly low fat. 28-30 waist. Go figure.
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 110 From:THE DARK AND DREARY WILD YOU CALL DEATH Registered: Feb 2001
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posted February 09, 2001 04:59 AM |
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i'm with ya on that one everybody is different------------------ IF YOU HAPPEN TO HAVE THE BLOOD TYPE OF O NEGATIVE E-MAIL ME AT [email protected]
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Posts: 26 From: Registered: Apr 2000
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posted February 09, 2001 07:23 PM |
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Okay, I don't think Animal ment that "5-6 meals a day make you fat." He simply used it to stur controversy...which he always does....what it should of been called is "How 5-6 meals a day make you not as lean as you could be."Now if fat loss is soley due to enengy intake, then why is there any diccusion about nutrition whatsoever...The simple CKD has proven that it aint all about kj...
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posted February 10, 2001 09:01 PM |
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I can't gain weight unless I eat 6-9 meals a day. I'm a hard core Ectomorph, it's so hard for me to put on weight otherwise.
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Posts: 434 From:FLORIDA Registered: Jan 2000
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posted February 10, 2001 09:09 PM |
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he probably is 5'9" 120lbs.------------------ http://thesuperstar.pathbot.com
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Posts: 1623 From:San diego, CA Registered: Jan 2000
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posted February 10, 2001 09:19 PM |
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What this theory, although thought provoking, fails to do is take into account insulin resistance/efficiency, pancreatic reactivity to glucose and insulin metabolism which vary CONSIDERABLY. There are other factors that play a role including but not limited to GH production and frequency, levels of progesterone, thyroid variations, etc..but for some it may be an effective system, though by no means for every one. peace
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Posts: 2309 From:Athens Registered: Jan 2000
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posted February 11, 2001 01:10 AM |
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I'm glad you posted Mac, I put this same "article" up on the Women's board some time last year to stir up some debate. And to help some of our new ladies realize the importance of good sound nutrition - in smaller, more frequent amounts You got to admit, Animal does like his spoons big!
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Posts: 1719 From:USA Registered: Jun 2000
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posted February 11, 2001 01:36 AM |
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That goes against bascially everything i've always been taught. Im not skinny but im not fat either, and im constantly eating.
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 63 From: AZ, USA Registered: Nov 2000
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posted February 11, 2001 02:47 AM |
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You will never get your full amount of protein if you only eat 2-3 times a day. Your body can only digest up to 50g of protein at one time. Even that is pushing it. If i didnt eat 5-6 meals a day i would never get enough protein. And you all know what that means, no muscle gain. Later!!
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posted February 11, 2001 05:41 AM |
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Guys, I think a few of you are missing the point of what Animal is trying to preach. Anything that produces insulin will prevent liposyis (SP) or aka 'fat burning.' Meal replacements are filled with maltodextrin which is a high glycemic carb, but depending on your insulin sensitivity..you will either put those macro-nutrients to use or prevent fat burning. 25 grams of maltodextrin along with 42 grams of protein wouldn't probably do much..but there are SOME that it may not work for.By all means, if eating 6 meals works for you..then continue to use that method. Lyle McDonald...who has just about the shitiest genetics but offers excellent advice ate 4 meals per day to lose his fat (along with periodic refeeds to promote leptin). Weight training, high intense cardio along with some good genetics to dispose insulin in it's proper place cater to some individuals. But for some like myself, i need to use the animalbolics diet to get into near ripped condition. I have helped at least a half a dozen people on the Varix board with Animal's diet (along with tweaking it) for use in competition. One author for Ironmag Magazine had printed Animal's diet giving it some rave reviews. I haven't heard too many bad things about it, so don't knock it down if you haven't tried it. and if something works for you, keep doing it. CKD sucks for me, but a low carb, low-med fat, high protein diet or Animalbolics are basically the only diets to use to maintain muscle mass along with burning fat. Also, this diet helps promote the hormone 'leptin' which is basically like an 'on' switch that can stimulate thyroid, GH levels, resetting metabolism..among other things. A few guru's are discussing this now at the other boards..which is just very interesting. And as far as insulin sensitivity..we all know that low carb diets/ketogenic diets increase that (so after your body craves for glycogen after weight training, you will spew a bit more insulin than usual..but enough to help shuttle macronutrients like amino acids, glucose, etc into the muscle). Then you have your liver filled with glycogen with the help of fructose for thyroid...
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