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ItalianMusclBoy

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posted February 08, 2001 11:46 PM

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i am on a sust(500mgs per wk.)d-bol(4 tabs per day)finiplix(4 crushed tabs under tounge per day)----i am not new to the gear by anymeans---but i am still curious to the fini---the other 2 i have done many times before---but what will the fini help in this cycle--i added it because i keep reading how it helps cut bodyfat tremendously when taken orally---also strength and hardness---i honestly don't have the time to liquify the fini for injection---is orally o.k.??--or am i wasting my money---and should i take more orally ??---and is the bodyfat thing true???and can i expect anything differently from this cycle than with the sust. and d-bol alone? any help would be appreciated---i am 5'11"--251#'s--15% bodyfat when last taken-----been cycling juice for 6 years----thanx for your help.


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MeanOne

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posted February 09, 2001 12:11 AM

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Once again, I'm not huck, but I'll answer it anyways. There are a couple of opinions on fina oral administration. The PROVEN one is that administering fina orally does not work! You saliva will break down the compound, sending most of it down your throat and being that it wasn't designed to survive the digtestive process, you have some really expensive urine a few hours later. An tiny amount makes it into the system, but not nearly enough to be effective.

DMSO claims to be 80% effective, studies say more like 20-30% effective *IF you don't have an adverse reaction to it*. Injecting is your best bet. If you have time to be on the board and cycle, you have an hour to make some fina.


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Mr H

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posted February 09, 2001 01:25 AM

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I was anti-oral but I've heard some good stories about it.

Check out my board at the link below- yes I know, another plug- but all these questions are answered multiple times and in detail!!

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DREXX

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posted February 09, 2001 06:24 PM

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> Hey Pat,
>
> I saw your article on Anabolic Extreme stating that trenbolone from fina
> is bioactive orally.
>
> Are you saying you can just munch on the pellets and it should be active
> even though it's not a 17-AA?
>

Yes.

17-AA is not the only means by which androgens can be altered to impart
bioactivity (specifically, to impede oxidation of the 17beta-hydroxyl
group).

For instance, methylation at C1alpha or C2alpha, or unsaturation at
C1(C2), can also do this.

(My new prohormone which is coming out soon has one of these
alterations, and is orally active. Very potent too.)

The triene structure of trenbolone seems to also do this, and do it
quite effectively. There are no known 17-keto metabolites of trenbolone
- the only metabolism that it appears to undergo is an epimerization of
the C17 hydroxyl.

If this was too technical for you, I apologize


> How available would you say it was? 50% as strong as injectable tren?

That is hard to guess. 50% might be a decent estimate

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DREXX

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posted February 09, 2001 06:26 PM

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By the way the post above is a response from Pat Arnold about oral fina.

You all know who Pat is right?

What do you guys think about this.

Meanone? anyone?

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DREXX

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posted February 09, 2001 07:03 PM

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bumpo!

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BSmooth

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posted February 09, 2001 08:07 PM

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Well it certainly would explain all the people who say oral fina worked for them....


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posted February 09, 2001 08:14 PM

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I'll bump that.

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littlearnold1069

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posted February 09, 2001 08:54 PM

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check out H's board...you should be able to find an answer from some people who have tried it

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DREXX

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posted February 09, 2001 09:51 PM

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Meanone where are you???

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D-INJECTOR

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posted February 09, 2001 10:09 PM

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I AM......D-INJECTOR....... JUST FU?%$%?& AROUND. TO BAD THE CANADIEN BOARD IS DOWN I DONT NO NOBODY HERE. WE WILL SEE IF THE AMERICAINE NOW THE GEAR. BUY THE WAY THE BEST WAY TO TAKE FINA IS TO MAKE IT AND TAKE IT BY INJ. AND THATS THE BOTTOM LINE I DONT CARE WHAT IT SAIS ON PAPER.EX: LOOK AT THE PAPER WORK ON HALOS..WOW.. GET STONG BUT WERE IS THE SIZE? CANT BELIVE EVERYTHING YOU READ. JUST TRY IT.GOOD LUCK BROS


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DREXX

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posted February 09, 2001 10:26 PM

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As most of you know I love doing the short cycles. 2on/4off

Nahanrac has been asking about these short cycles. He just did one and the next one planned he will use fina orally.

He will take something like 1000mg of Enanthate on day 1 and then 80mg of fina orally. It should translate to 40mg of fina that is used up.

I can't wait to see what happens.

I will keep you guys posted.

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DREXX

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posted February 10, 2001 12:01 AM

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meanone and huck I want some input???

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MeanOne

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posted February 10, 2001 02:07 AM

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LOL, sorry brother, had a date tonight (total hottie)! Anyways, it does a good job to rationalize to idea that Fina can be used Orally. However, I have some HEAVY reservations about that.

"The triene structure of trenbolone seems to also do this, and do it
quite effectively. There are no known 17-keto metabolites of trenbolone
- the only metabolism that it appears to undergo is an epimerization of
the C17 hydroxyl."

Seems to based upon what data? There is no way it only epimerizes the C17 hydorxyl. It's simply an establish fact in the chemical engeneering field that this can't be the only thing that happens to the molecule.

However, Those are just MY OPINIONS on the topic, I'm not replying to debate.

Let me ask you this, if you were to pay me $47,000 for a new corvette, would you only want 50% of the Corvette, if that? Fould just the floorpans and drivetrain be enough to justify purchasing it, with no body.

Fact is, if you inject the drug, 95%-97% of it will be used. The amount that makes it to receptors is dependant on receptor population, shaping, and emzymatic differences. Either way, orally or injecting, your still delt with that so it's mute.

I will just finish by saying this...I won't put tren under my tounge and pray, I don't have that much money. However, I will see if I can talk a client into it and having him get weekly bloodwork down to see if the chemical is picked up. I have my doubts however.


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DREXX

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posted February 10, 2001 09:54 AM

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Thanks for the reply MeanOne. I value your opinion.

Like I said I know someone that will try it at 80mg ed orally. So we will see how it goes.

You don't have to buy a kit so you do save money there but you waste half the tren so you lose there.

The thing is some people don't like injecting something they made. That is my only problem with injectable fina.

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