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Raffaz

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posted February 08, 2001 07:38 AM

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Whats the difference between these two drugs and what is the best to use, and why. Cheers

Mick


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The Ghost

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posted February 08, 2001 09:32 AM

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I don't have any experience with Proviron, but I do know that Nolvadex works very well.

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Solid Steel

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posted February 08, 2001 09:49 AM

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Proviron is used to prevent the aromatization of most anabolic androgenic steroids. By doing this it prevents estrogen related sides such as water retention, fat storage and gyno. It is not effective with some compounds such as deca which can lead to gyno via progesterone. Nolvadex works in a similar way but also is slightly different. Nolvadex doesnt prevent the aromatization of anabolic androgenic steroids but is a synthetic estrogen which binds to the receptor and thus prevent the real estrogen from exerting its effects. It should be noted that estrogen is necessary to help maintain healthy status however too much is bad.

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Raffaz

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posted February 08, 2001 01:22 PM

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Cheers for the replies. The reason i asked is because im thinking of doing a heavier cycle than normal, and i cant get hold of Nolvadex, but i can get clomid, proviron and HCG, im just worried that if i get gyno, i wont be to treat it properly without the nolvadex. Will i be ok with what ive got or not??? Cheers

Mick


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Maxx Out

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posted February 08, 2001 01:29 PM

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Raff, if u can't get nolv. use clomid. Besides getting your test level back up after a cycle it also works as an anti-estrogen. 50mg/EOD throughout your cycle is plenty. Goodluck.


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fitnessfreak

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posted February 08, 2001 01:34 PM

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If your using tests and/or dbol go with the Proviron daily...you wont regret it. And save the clomid for the end and the nolva "just in case".

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Solid Steel

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posted February 08, 2001 01:36 PM

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After 3 weeks on proviron take about 10-14 days off and at this time utilise clomid at 50mgs eod. This will allow some estrogen that is needed but not too much so as to worry about high estrogen related sides.

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2Thick

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posted February 08, 2001 01:39 PM

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Using 25mg of proviron and 10mg-20mg of Nolva per day is almost as effective as Arimidex at preventing estrogen realted side effects.

This should only be used if water weight, gyno, or high blood pressure is an important concern.

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Maxx Out

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posted February 08, 2001 01:41 PM

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Prov. will hinder your gain muck more than nolv. or clomid. It binds to the same recepters as the gear u will be using cause it is also a very weak roid! Save it for when u need it or maybe EOD or every 2-3 days.


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Raffaz

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posted February 08, 2001 04:47 PM

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could i keep the proviron, and only use it if i get gno, will that work aswell asnolva or not?? Also, what is arimidex?? Cheers

Mick


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The_Iron_Game

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posted February 08, 2001 05:34 PM

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quote:
Originally posted by Maxx Out:
Prov. will hinder your gain muck more than nolv. or clomid. It binds to the same recepters as the gear u will be using cause it is also a very weak roid! Save it for when u need it or maybe EOD or every 2-3 days.


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If you dont know what you are talking about it is best not to say anything, you could misguide people with your well intentioned but wrong advice.

1. It wont hinder gains more than nolva or comid.
2. It is a weak roid? It is not even a roid!
3. It will bind to the same receptors as steroids.

In fact dont say anything

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BerkeleyJuice

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posted February 08, 2001 07:26 PM

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Hey Iron game, maybe you should check your info. I have also heard that Proviron binds to the same receptors as AS.


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lawnsaver

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posted February 08, 2001 07:34 PM

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quote:
Originally posted by The_Iron_Game:
If you dont know what you are talking about it is best not to say anything, you could misguide people with your well intentioned but wrong advice.

1. It wont hinder gains more than nolva or comid.
2. It is a weak roid? It is not even a roid!
3. It will bind to the same receptors as steroids.

In fact dont say anything

I beleive he did say it bind to the AS receptor.

Proviron stops AS from converting to estrogen. Its works like arimidex but on a much lower scale. Nolvadex blocks the estrogen from attaching to the receptor, which works, but you have a chance for a rebound. I like proviron at 50mg a day 3 weeks on 2 off 3 on. Nolva just in case.


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2Thick

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posted February 08, 2001 07:36 PM

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quote:
Originally posted by The_Iron_Game:

2. It is a weak roid? It is not even a roid!

This is a quote from WAR '96:

"Proviron is a synthetic, orally effective androgen which does not have any anabolic characteristics....Proviron is one of the very few steroid hormones which is still sufficiently available"

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Crash

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posted February 09, 2001 12:19 AM

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Iron Game, you're misinformed. Proviron is an androgen and therefore binds to androgen receptor sites within the body. With Proviron binding to androgen receptor sites, some of the other steroids present in the body (androgens) are blocked out and unable to take effect. It's alot better than Nolvadex which can actually convert into estrogen in some cases.

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Raffaz

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posted February 09, 2001 01:52 PM

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how much proviron should i take, and how often?? and will it affect my gains?


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