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Author | Topic: HAIRLOSS INFO - thanks TonyDelk | ||
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Here is some info I grabbed off Anabolic Fitness. Thanks to TonyDelk.... Sup fellas. I guess you could consider me the resident expert on hair loss here. I don't want to get into a lengthy biochemical discussion as to why things work.(although I'm sure Bchem and AM would love to "go to work"...)but I have researched this topic extensively over the last 3 years. Also it really helps to go to minoxidil.com and understand why hair loss occurs. If you understand whether or not you have the MPB gene, you will be much further along in addressing your contextual situation. Now onto the nitty gritty. Contrary to what you've read Propecia makes hair loss worse with steroid users or more specifically for people who use other AAS other than Test.(if you only use Test, Propecia is great). Propecia works by inhibiting the enzyme A5R. This enzyme is responsible for converting Test to DHT(Dihydrotestosterone). The problem is that A5R inhibitors(Finasteride, and Azelaic Acid included)do not block the conversion process provided by other drugs other than Test. Primo, Dbol, EQ, Deca and others can actually exacerbate a hair loss condition when used in conjunction with A5R inhibitors. Don't ask me to explain. Ahaa...What is a person to do? Well a topical androgen receptor blocker is needed. One that does not need to work by inhibiting an enzymatic conversion process like A5R inhibitors. They need to have the following properties. it has to be a potent anti-androgen, it should selectively prevent or successfully compete with DHT without changing testosterone levels, it has to be effective topically so it can be conviently applied with potassium k channel openers(minoxidil) and it can't have any systemic side effects. There are two of them. Spironolactone is the weaker of the two but also the least expensive. It is sold by Dr. Lee and also used in a variety of shampoo salves/balms to block DHT conversion in the androgen receptor in the scalp.(Dr Proctor and Dr. Scruggs both sell their own versions) It has a few drawbacks. It smells like total shit, and it isn't very stable in solution form. Never combine Spiro in a bottle with Minoxidil unless you want to knock people out when getting within 15 feet. ;-) Flutamide is the better option but it is also very expensive. Known as Eulixin OTC in Mexico, 100 tabs at 250mgs per tab can be found for about 150 bucks down there. You need to crush up 10 tabs of Flutamide for every 60mls of Minoxidil. It is surely the strongest topical androgen blocker available. It is actually used as an oral prostate cancer medicine. The most recent research into hair loss regrowth avoids the k channel openers and hormonal manipulation. This new drug being studied is actually an immunosuppresant which works much better topically due to its low molecular weight. Tacrolimus(FK506) is this potential wonder drug. It was only recently approved and can be found at communitydrug.com It is very expensive as well. IMO, it is much better towards the end of a cycle after shedding or thinning has started. It has much potential to regrow the hair you lost and even to replace it with even more thickness than previously. Again, do your homework. Understand that if you are predisposed to the MPB gene, steroids will only exacerbate the problem and any remedy you use will only slow the inevidible process. For me the best approach has seemed to be Nizoral a couple of times per week while "on" combined with Spironolactone applied topically at night before bed. Since I don't use very harsh androgens, I rarely have the need for Flutamide. I have used Saw Palmetto in the formula supplied by Dr. Scruggs for the 4-5 weeks I was "on". It "seemed" to prevent any thinning as of yet. I just started my *** therapy two days ago, so I'll let you know how it goes. I have my doubts as to whether it is the lack of vet drugs from Mex(which i now believe to be filled with impurities and contaminants)than the Saw P in the little hair loss I have had since starting this low dose cycle of human grade only stuff. It has now been 9 days since my last injection. BTW.. my weight is up a full 10 pounds right now with only .7% bodyfat gain. I think this is even better due to my use of Arimidex. Good night. TD� And here is a little more.... I can't be 100% certain that the other drugs don't work by via the same pathways as Deca does. Deca is the one drug that you surely don't want to take with any 5AR inhibitors.(No biochemical explanations here) The rest I "believe" work by other mediated pathways than Testosterone does. Therefore it is my recommendation that you not mix them with 5AR inhibitors. When you want to block all Androgens screw even messing with Azelaic Acid(found in Xandrox), Finasteride, Proscar or Propecia(diff names for the same thing--ALL 5AR INHIBITORS). There is no reason to use these things UNLESS YOU ARE USING TESTOSTERONE ONLY...DOESN'T MATTER WHAT TYPE OF TEST, BUT TEST ONLY. There is no reason to risk potentiating your hair loss when on cycle and off. Use Spironolactone at night(minoxidil.com) and if you can get it or afford it, Flutamide mixed with a topical minoxidil solution(10 tablets(250mgs) crushed into fine powder per 60ml during the day. I find 3-4 sprays into affected areas twice per day works very well. Using Saw Palmetto(a quality controlled version)couldn't hurt to have some sort of systemic anti-androgen working that wouldn't be harmful in any other way. That is another risk with Finasteride that often isn't discussed enough. With it's suppression of DHT, it "can" produce symptoms of sexual disfunction or loss of libido. Not everyone experiences this but some can and do. Why even worry about possibly having to deal with this? The jury is out on Arimidex as to all that it may be doing. Animal has some interesting theories on this drug. I think you could also use 2% Nizoral shampoo a couple of times per week as another preventative therapy. Tacrolimus is something I would only look into using if you aren't prone to being bald and you shed dramatically while on cycle and for a couple of months being off. IMO, the stuff works bigtime for growing back what was shed and more. Hope this helps.∞
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