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td24

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posted February 07, 2001 10:41 PM

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I have a friend that is going to be competing in the junior nationals this year and tells me how I should do my cycle for my show June 2nd. I had my own ideas. Help me choose which one I should do.
Cycle #1(My friends advice)
test enant. weeks 1-6 @500mgs
eq weeks 1-6 @400mgs
dbol weeks 1-6 @6/day then taper
test susp. weeks 7-12 @1cc eod
a-bombs weeks 7-12 @ 2/day
winny weeks 7-12 @ 50mg eod
deca weeks 7-12 @ 300mgs

OR
cycle #2(my opinion)
test enan. weeks 1-6 @500mgs
eq weeks 1-12 @400mgs
dbol weeks 1-6 @ 6/day then taper
fina weeks 7-12 @ 75mgs eod
winny weeks 7-12 @ 50mgs eod


Which would you choose? OR If you want to make any changes please do so?
TD24


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td24

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posted February 07, 2001 10:58 PM

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Come on bros! Need help here. I'm going to start whatever cycle in one month.


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crazyguy

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posted February 07, 2001 11:44 PM

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bump!


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I like the 2nd choice. I dont like abombs, with deca, with suspension. Huck has been preaching about not knowing where the possible gyno sides are coming from. Progest or estrogen?? You wouldnt be able to tell with the 1st choice. I dont know if you are taking enough winny to help with those doses.

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td24

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posted February 07, 2001 11:51 PM

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Would you add anything?


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Vampire

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posted February 07, 2001 11:54 PM

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Well I wouldn't do either of them. You seem to be a "Newbie" to the game, how I don't know since you have reached over 400 posts"most have been to chat booard".

I think that you should scrap both
1. d-bols no longer than 4 weeks
2. no a-bombs for newbies
3. I didn't see clomid or nolva.
4. pick a cutting or bulking cycle both cannot be acheived with good results.
5. you are mixing drugs that "work against each other"

Please rethink your cycles and train of thought.
Goodluck

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Vampire

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posted February 07, 2001 11:56 PM

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Forgot to add Winny is a total waste of money if you don't use at least 100mg ED.
Its to fast of an acting drug to take EOD


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td24

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posted February 08, 2001 12:11 AM

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Vampire, I could be Ronnie Coleman with "1" post for you know. If you know anything about contest prep speak out, but it sounds like you are the newbie. The clomid,nov.,T3,and clen are self explanatory and dont need to be added to this "written" cycle.
By the way, most of those who do compete normally do cycles somewhat like these. Bulking and cutting within the same 12 weeks.
Read up and get educated!!!


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Vampire

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Well for your information You have absolutely no idea what you are doing just wait until others read this.

And as me me being new. Think what you will Your cycle still blows chunks.

Please use the search button its located towards the top of the board
https://www.elitefitness.com/ubbcgi/search.cgi?action=intro&default=1
their is a link for you.

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td24

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posted February 08, 2001 12:29 AM

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Thanks I'm smarter know!! LOL


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td24

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posted February 08, 2001 12:32 AM

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Are there any errors in that sentence, Vampire? LOL


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ChaosXL

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posted February 08, 2001 12:37 AM

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Vampire,

If you only knew what td24 looked like you wouldn't be saying the things you are! You might see him soon at the nationals in Vegas. I would put my money on his knowledge before yours any day!

By the way this guy his never even posted on the chat board!

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lawnsaver

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I would only change the dbol dose. I would take 6 at once before training for a kick only. I wouldnt taper. I would icrease the winny to 50mg ed and drink it.

On the issue of bulk or cut. Its BS. The man is looking for quality muscle, which he will get with that cycle.

I am doing a ara/eq/fina/t3 cycle starting next week. I want size with quality and drop a few notches on the bf%. To say it cant be done is ignorant to say the least.

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td24

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posted February 08, 2001 12:43 AM

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Lawnsaver, Does doing the dbol that way effect your bloodpressure at all?
So you say take them about 30mins prior to training.


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Vampire

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posted February 08, 2001 12:55 AM

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Well in fact we can have a hughe pissing contest all you want but it won't matter in the end the cycle is not good. Either of them.

And d-bol should be taken at least one hour before trainning if you take it that way because that is when it begins to spike.
However taking them on a regular basis you should take them every 4 hours to maximize your gains.

And as for the subject on a bulking or cutting diet I agree their isn't a difference
The diet is the key to any cycle.!!!!
This is known

ChaosXL, whoever you might be I have never seen you on here in the 3 years I have posted on elite. So your opinion to me is nill...

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greenhouse

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posted February 08, 2001 12:58 AM

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I would up the test to 750mg for a few weeks from the start to see how you respond...

And try your damnest to get some Arimidex.

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Vampire

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Edited For safety
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[This message has been edited by Vampire (edited February 08, 2001).]


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greenhouse

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posted February 08, 2001 01:09 AM

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I'm sorry I am not sure as to what you are saying...

Bizz?

Code for e-mails?

If you want to get personal here. I dont want to clutter up the board with something personal.

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lawnsaver

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I can debate this for a long time. I personally dont believe in dbol as giving any solid gains, but taking the dose spread out can completely shut down your natural test faster than anything. Taking them all at once can be used in a bridge without shutting down the test. I like it all at once because the training sessions are awsome. Its almost like a stimulant!
I'm just not a d-bol backer

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Vampire

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posted February 08, 2001 01:13 AM

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I agree it will shut down your natural test faster but it will not matter if he is allready taking the test and other Juice at the same time.

I use d-bol as an pre-workout stimulant.


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greenhouse

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posted February 08, 2001 01:17 AM

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Vampire, read my reply up there for me...

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td24

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posted February 08, 2001 01:58 AM

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I do agree with you on that one, but I use it to jump start my cycle.


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Vampire

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posted February 08, 2001 01:59 AM

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Which one did you pick or a variation did you pick?

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greenhouse

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posted February 08, 2001 02:12 AM

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td24, up a little late???

VAMPIRE YOU HAVE MAIL.


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Solid Steel

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As said above,

Anadrol, Deca & Suspension in the same cycle?
I personally wouldnt do that, in many ways suspension is similar to anadrol but not as toxic. Deca forget it, Eq instead?. From now on I am only ever using aas whose sides can be prevented from nolva and proviron. Adding the anadrol in there on top of both is a little risky too. Good the winny is in there but still probably not enough.

Vamp would have to disagree on the issue of winny at 100mgs ed needed. Perhaps you wrote it wrong but 50mgs ed is sufficient.

Wouldnt really recommend any of those cycles although there is some good reasoning behind the construction. If you tell everyone how old you are, how long you have been using and so on perhaps they can help.

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td24

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posted February 08, 2001 08:24 AM

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I personally dont like the one with the anadrol. Thats just what I was told. If you guys saw who told me this you might be amazed. I like the first one. The only thing I might change on it is I might stop the eq at week 6 and add halos instead. The only thing about that is doing that with fina. Would that be too toxic?


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posted February 08, 2001 08:31 AM

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quote:
Originally posted by td24:
If you guys saw who told me this you might be amazed

No offence but who cares who told you, you ask for an opinion on which cycle to do and as far as I can see that is what people have been doing. The biggest guys arent always the most clever or knowledgable, look at Huck for example he is a skinny midget but he knows he shit. Also just because someone competes doesnt mean he knows how to construct a cycle. Now I am not saying your friend who constructed this doesnt know his shit but dont ask for opinions if you cant take them.

Peace


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td24

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posted February 08, 2001 08:42 AM

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No offense taken! Remember I dont like that cycle also. Thats why I put it on the board to see what you guys thought. I have posted the cycle that I intended to do before and It seemed that everyone liked it.
But when you see a guy that big tell you what to do, you listen.

What would you guys do for a cycle then?
5'11 215 9%bf 25yrs old (ChaosXL, you are thinking of the wrong guy, but thanks)
I have quality stacks in the past. So anything goes!


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I have best results with eq if I take 100mg/eod. Try it.

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td24

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posted February 09, 2001 07:53 PM

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bump for anyone but Vampire's responses


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