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Amateur Bodybuilder 
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Hey guys, I just converted my fina with the kit from that great guy we all know. Anyways, I put the 4000mgs of Component-TH in the Magic solution, let it sit for about 40 minutes, then put it all in the oil. Then, I let it sit all night, and just now, about 18 hours later, I boiled some water, put the vial in it, and gently stirred it. I've never done this before, but I don't think there is supposed to be all of that dark red shit at the bottom. It is only a 2000mg kit, but I put all 4000mg's in it. Is that a problem. Thanks guys.     | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 151 |
Fonz, Trenbolone Acetate can have a saturation in oil of up to 200mg/ml. Why would the Tren go undissolved if saturated over 50mg/ml??? THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO REASON!! I thought that the red might be glue, but I don't know enough about Tren to say for sure, so BUMP for someone who KNOWS about Tren to answer this one. | ||
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Moderator 
Posts: 1646 |
I don't think 40 minutes couldve been enough for the pellets to dissolve even if you had used the right size kit. Were all the pellets completely dissolved in the solution? ------------------ | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder 
Posts: 530 |
The kit you got only had ewnough Magic Solution to break down 2 grams of tren, small enough to suspended it. You adjust dosage by adjusting the volume of oil you put in. It's that simple.... | ||
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Moderator
Posts: 1646 |
Methyl-cellulose is what causes the "gooey residue." MC is harmless, it is used as a surfactant in Testosterone suspension and Winstrol-V. It keeps your stanozolol and Testosterone from clumping up and sticking to the insides of the bottle. ------------------ | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 151 |
So the Magic Solution breaks down the tren, and the oil dissolves it?? It HAS to be completely broken down by the MS to be properly dissolved??? Fuck. That's some shit. Mr. H, what should I do??? Thanks. | ||
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Moderator
Posts: 1646 |
If you didn't see pellets in the bottom of the vial with Magic Solution in it, you should be fine. H | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 530 |
Well, while I may not be H, I will put this in here. The oil is nothing mroe than a means of suspending the chemical. It has no chemical interaction with either the magic solution or the tren, to my knowledge. The "Magic Solution" makes the Tran small enough TO SUSPEND, all the oil is is a delivery system. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 151 |
Ummm, I saw all of the pellets in the bottom of the MS. Won't the MS break down the Tren even while it's mixed in with the oil? That would be logical, although it would be slowed by the diluting of the MS. Any of my theory right Mr. H???? Thanks for all the input. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 151 |
And thanks MeanOne and Mr. H, for being completely helpful with your posts. | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 530 |
I'll just let Mr. H handle this, it's obvious your not understanding the science behind how the kit works, or really care for that matter. He's all yours Mr. H - | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 151 |
Scratch 'MeanOne' from my last reply........ | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 530 |
Laughable at best. However, it was a little insulting to me to be giving you logical and direct answers and for you to push me off for Mr H (no disrespect to H). By the time you realized that there might be more than one person on the board that has a little information to share on fina, or any other topic, it was already to late. Have a splended evening. [This message has been edited by MeanOne (edited February 07, 2001).] | ||
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Freak 
Posts: 1580 |
Whats up with the rumor that says there is no glue and binders in fina. Anyoe on that issue?? ------------------ "Catch a man a fish, he eats for a day. Teach a man to fish, and he eats for a lifetime." | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 151 |
When your 'logical and direct answers' are worded in ways to belittle me, it doesn't exactly classify as the best help. Anyways, I'll boil it some more and see what happens. | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 530 |
I'm not Fonz or the other guys. I just re-read all my posts and I did nothing to talk down to you untill you had basicly turned your back to me. Either way, boiling may help, don't it won't fully work. There was only enough MS to disolve 2 grams of chemical enough to be suspended by the oil. You might have success if you order another 2 gram kit, and just add the MS and boil. However, I'm not sure HOW well that will work. | ||
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Cool Novice 
Posts: 36 |
...lawnsaver,check out the 'Strasser's article' thread on H's fina site.... | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 150 |
You people are so fucking sensitive! Just help him out instead of telling him he fucked up. By the way, the Fina discussion board is a main in the ass to search and he obviously needs immediate help, that is what this board is all about! Anyway, gettin bigger, I made my Fina the other day and also fucked up. I didnt filter it right and the glue and binders were stuck in the bottom. Oh Well, I just baked it three times, shook it up and inject all the shit in me. | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 530 |
Yeah Fonz, I'm not you but I'm trying, lol. Anyways, are you understanding why your idea can't work? Imagine this....you going to make a cake, but you don't add enough milk or eggs or both, and the powder won't mix in entirely. There is no amount of heating, and cooling, or stirring that you can do with get the powder to mix because all of the avaliable water has been absorded by other grains of powder. I realize food and chemical engineering are two completely different things, lol, but it was merely an example. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 121 |
you should've just got a kit for 4,000 mg...i also don't think 40 minutes is long enough for the pellets to dissolve ------------------ | ||
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Moderator
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quote: Yes, but unlike this board- we'll answer the same question everyday if we have to. Ya won't hear us say "search the board"- we answer the same question all the time ------------------ | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 530 |
lil' Arnie, 40 minutes is enough time, but over one hour is too long as the glue will oxidize per H's page. | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder 
Posts: 636 |
Chill out guys. I had a 2gO and a 4gO kit and there was the same amount of magic solution in both. Just more oil in one. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 151 |
Yeah, I heard the same thing Rugby, so what the hell did I do wrong????? Also, sorry if I seemed to turn my back on you MeanOne, but what exactly did I do that was so rejecting?? Just wondering. Thanks. | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 636 |
you didnt do anything wrong. Just shoot it. If you did it wrong...Who cares... Its worth a shot trying rather than wasting it and throwing it away | ||
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Cool Novice
Posts: 24 |
Sorry, but all of you guys are mistaken...there is nothing wrong with using 4000mg in a 2gF kit...you are just going to get 150mg/cc solution which I assume is what you were aiming for...Read the instructions again and then read them again...the dark red stuff is what you are seperating from the TA...put it in a coffe filter and squeeze the rest of the TA out of it and then use the sterile filter ala the instuctions... | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 151 |
I guess I could do that...... | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 530 |
:::Shakes head::: yeah be sure to take most of that unsuspended fina out by using a coffee filter, that'll leave you with some interesting oil to put in your ass. Of course, I could be mistaken, but a $120,000 education says I'm probably not. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 151 |
MeanOne, pretend for a sec that I am LUVS2JUICE, and you have to work hard to explain your logic to me. The Magic Solution STILL dissolves the pellets when it's mixed in with the oil, right?? Why would the MS become completely inactive?? It would just be diluted, right?? Still being and MS/oil mix, the process would merely be slowed by the diluting. My education is pretty expensive too, and I guess you could say that I have to be right too because my education has costed in the mid $100,000's so far....... | ||
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Moderator
Posts: 1646 |
You CAN put the pellets in the oil and then just mix the Magic Solution in with the oil if ya wanted to. It will just take a longer time. | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 530 |
Well, if that's the case, you should be able to understand the cake example posted earlier. Sure it will still work....for 2grams, not 4. Too much chemical to break down for the limited supply of solvent. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 151 |
MeanOne, both the 2gram AND 4gram kits have the SAME amount of Magic Solution, just a different amount of oil, so the total concentration can be 75mg/ml in both cases. | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 530 |
Now listen to that for a second, the same AMOUNT? Based on what...volume or potency? I know your talking about volume, which is much different than potency... The reason for keeping the volume the same is to eliminate confusion when altering final concentration numbers. Besides, anyone else here figure out what it is that breaks down the fina out of curiosity? You can get it about 300 different places online, and it's pretty cheap. Then again, if you don't know, it's not my place to say, because "A" is a good guy and I wouldn't hurt his business like that. Hopefully this will finalize this post, it has become tiresome. | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 474 |
All I got to say is......DMSO brudda.... That'll make it a hell of a lot easier next time. ------------------ | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 150 |
MeanOne,...Where did you go to school that you have to brag about how much tutition was. I go to one of the most expensive liberal arts schools in the county $33,000 per year, however it is definatly not a Harvard or princeton...which both cost less to attend. Therefore, Universities cannot be judged on how good they are by their costs of tutition....You also must have a great job if you spend all day long on the computer..... | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 530 |
Not willing to say due to the fact that I am still here and could get thrown out for drugs affiliation, let alone use. Thanks... | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 610 |
Hey gettingbigger, easiest thing to do is email "A". He will walk you through fixing it - he is a great guy. I did something similar but used 50% more fina instead of the 100% you used. I filtered the solution through a coffee filter(takes all night), baked at 250 degrees for 15 minutes 3 times, and then ran it through the syringe filter. Got that clear yellow final product and fired away. | ||
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Cool Novice
Posts: 24 |
MeanOne...I am no chemist, and don't claim to be one, but have you read the instructions that A wrote...I find it alarming that you are not aware of the use of a coffe filter...and you think that there is no TA in the residue once they seperate?! Since you are aware of the what the magic solution is (therefore what it does), then please post the molecular weight of the 'residue' and of TA and then take a another look at a coffe filter... You have a logical argument...but I think you are just mistaken...Q has used this method several time with great success... GettingBig, if you do email A, please post his response... | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 151 |
Emailed him, just waiting for a response....... |
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posted February 07, 2001 10:06 PM
