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X-Man

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posted February 07, 2001 02:33 AM

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do you guys think chewing a bit in the evening will affect gains?


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finallygotlayed

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posted February 07, 2001 02:37 AM

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It sure as hell better not, i can't quit, i love the stuff and have no desire to quit. only one dip per night right before bed. Skoal Mint is the shit.

layed

ps, it makes you a little more tired overall than you would be w/o it but I don't see how it would hinder gains.

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mb2001

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posted February 07, 2001 02:57 AM

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i bet it will increase gains if you put it in you're ass haha

j/k


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Vampire

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posted February 07, 2001 03:06 AM

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WHAT A BAD ATTEMPT AT A JOKE MB2001

WELL THEIR ARE MANY WAYS TO LOOK AT THIS ON ONE IT WILL HURT YOUR BODY CONSIDERING THE FACT THAT TOBACCO CAUSES CANCER AND ON THE OTHER IT SHOULD ALSO BE CALLED THE WONDERDRUG BELOW IS SOME INFO THAT WAS WRITTEN BY A GOOD FREIND NAMED "Q"
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A week ago I was reading an article on hormone replacement therapy, in the article it stated that women you are going through menopause or on estrogen replacement should not smoke since nicotine lowers estrogen levels. From reading this I decided to try to find out more about its anti estrogenic effects. From searching the web I found a whole slew of positive effects of nicotine. Most of the info I am writing comes from the Hippo, Hippo II and Fate of nicotine in the body reports. These are studies done on nicotine in the late 70�s.

Nicotine as an Anti-estrogen/Anti-aromatase

Nicotine works in two ways to lower estrogen levels. First it is an anti-aromatase like arimadex. Nicotine has been shown to inhibit the conversion of androstenedione and testosterone into estrogen in a study by the University of Utah School of medicine. Also unlike novadex or clomid nicotine is a true anti estrogen and not just an estrogen blocker. By this I mean that nicotine actually speeds up the degradation of blood estrogen levels. So nicotine causes a reduction in estrogen production and also decreases existing estrogen levels.

Regulation of hormone levels

When Nicotine is used on a daily basis it stabilizes the Adrenal hormones by acting on the Hypothalamus, which affects the pituitaries release of regulating hormones and increases GH release. This keeps various hormone levels stable during times of depression, or stress. That is why a smoker can have a cigarette in the morning to wake up and one at night to help relax.

When you stop using nicotine your whole endocrine system gets f_cked up. Your cortisone, and adrenaline levels take a nose dive until your natural hormone regulation takes control again. Fortunately nicotine does not seem to have a negative effect on GH release upon cessation.

Getting your natural hormone levels back in order takes about two weeks. As body builders we can use this to our advantage. When you stop a cycle you can start using nicotine. This will quickly reduce the high cortisone levels to a normal level. After coming off nicotine you can start a new cycle and take advantage of the low cortisone levels for the first two weeks

Nicotine as a smart drug
Nicotine is a cholinergic agonist and mimics the effects of acetylcholine. It also has been shown to increase levels of neurotransmitters dopamine, nor-epinephrine, and serotonin. Dopaminergic neurons are linked to reward pathways and pleasure while serotonergic neurons are associated with anti-anxiety.
This effect may explain the addicting property of nicotine. But they also seem to have some nootropic benefits. Studies have shown that mice perform better on mentally strenuous tasks after being given Nicotine. Nicotine also causes a release of vassopresin. This hormone is the hormone that helps imprint thoughts into long-term memory.
Help with PGF2a

In one study nicotine was able to reduce the side effects of the prostaglandin PGF2a. In isolated canine retinal arteries partially contracted with PGF2� nicotine was added and resulted in the relaxation of those arteries without affecting the other effects of PGF2a. So in theory nicotine can be added to a PGF2a cycle to decrease intestinal discomfort.

Nicotine also seems to cause a release of prostaglandins, which favors the good prostaglandins like PGF2a.

Fat loss properties:

One study stated that Nicotine was possibly the most effective anti obesity drug available at the time that the study was performed (late 70�s). Nicotine has various properties that help in weight reduction while sparing muscle.

Reduced appetite:
Nicotine inhibits food intake via three mechanisms, first it elevated Adrenalin and Nor-adrenalin levels which reduces appetite. Next Nicotine itself has been shown to reduce the craving for carbohydrates. Great addition to a ketogenic diet.

Thermogenic effects:
The release of Adrenalin and Nor-adrenalin also cause a thermogenic effect similar to that of ECA.

Actual fat reduction:
Nicotine stimulates a very rapid mobilization of fatty deposits. This happens as quickly as 10 minutes after administration. The lipids are mobilized and free fatty acids are released in the blood stream in great amounts. The free fatty acids diminish quickly due to an unknown action of nicotine. Nicotine seems to help the body use the FFA�s for energy in an accelerated fashion.

To recap Nicotine has an eight-fold weight loss effect on the system.

1.Reduction of overall appetite
2.Reduced craving for carbs
3.Thermogenic effect
4.Fatty deposit mobilization
5.Stimulation of FFA degradation
6.Estrogen reduction
7.Prostaglandin release
8.Growth hormone release
Negative aspects of Nicotine:
I have talked about all the good things that nicotine does but what are the negative effects? Well I know everyone is thinking cancer right? Wrong, nicotine is not the cancer-causing agent in cigarettes. It is just the addictive chemical that makes you intake the 2000 or so carcinogens in tobacco. I am not talking about smoking here; use the gum or the patches. Nicotine does have some negative effects though:
Negative effects of Nicotine:
1.Decreased Vit. C
2.Decreased Vit. E
3.Increased VLDL
4.Decreased HDL
5.Addictive properties
6.And all the typical sides of stimulants
So to counteract these just make sure you take extra vitamin C and E and watch your saturated fat intake. As for the addictive properties well that�s up to you.


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biopsychfitness

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posted February 07, 2001 03:14 AM

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Great post Vampire


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X-Man

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posted February 07, 2001 03:15 AM

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I like skoal too bro, but the cherry


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thebull

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posted February 07, 2001 03:40 AM

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ahhhhhhhhh why did i have to open this post. I have diped a can a day of copenhagen for the last 8 years and i am currently trying to quit it has been 7 days since i have not had a dip. I am eating like i have never ate before. I think to a degree it will hinder gains only if you are a frequent user over a period of time.. a dip here and there cant be bad for gains, my opinion..

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crash3837

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posted February 07, 2001 04:04 AM

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Wow, you read my mind, I was just about to post almost the same question. I in the past I used to chew quit a bit. I would quit and when hunting season came around I would start up again. But I've quite for about a good 6 months. But with in the past 3 weeks I started again. I have a very important test I have to pass on the 12th and I study almost every night, and put in a snuff and I kind of feel like it helps me, instead of me reading & reviewing my book and getting tired and losing intrest in the subject, I wind up sitting for hours actually forming some of the best study habits I ever had. Which kind of worries me, because I don't want to be dependent on it to help me study. Maybe its just a superstishious thing I have right now though. I like Cope for a change once in a great while, I hate skoal, my fav is wintergreen Kodiak,,, Another question I have, does anyone else have to shit all of the sudden after they put in a dip,,, or is this just me?


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peckerwood

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posted February 07, 2001 08:12 AM

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yea my teeth are on there way out slowly but surely . the way i look at it is it's better than smoking ( cigs ) . well here i go for a dip now ! hope it don't hinder gains , like smoking !


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mb2001

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posted February 07, 2001 10:43 AM

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soo sorry its not up to your genius i'll try harder next time Vamp haha


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PerfectRep

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posted February 07, 2001 10:45 AM

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It will dehydrate you, so it's wise to drink more water.


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whodaman

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posted February 07, 2001 11:47 AM

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Kodiak Wintergreen for me......I quit for about two years then started again a few months ago b/c of a stressful job (yes...it's an excuse). Is that post for real about nicotine normalizing cortizone levels and acting as an antiestrogen? If so, I may never quit again. Seriously though...if anyone wants to quit chewing, Zyban (wellbutran) worked great for me...for a couple years anyway. I just quit my job though...so I'm planning on taking some zyban...and in a week or so...I'll have no withdrawl symptoms (anxiety, moodswings)


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somec-

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posted February 07, 2001 01:26 PM

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I was at a can per day of cherry Skoal several years back, and my appetite was shit. I couldn't imagine trying to force down 5-6000 calories while on a cycle if I was still dipping.


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DreamingBig

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posted February 07, 2001 03:10 PM

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I chewed from the time I was 14 to the time I was 23 when I finally quit (I was up to a can a day for about three years or more). That was two years ago and I just started about two months ago -- FUCK!! I started bouncing again and most of the bouncers chew when they work the door so I started again (just when I work the door at first). I need to stop but not sure when that will be, hopefully soon though. BTW for me it was, and is, Kodiak wintergreen.

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FOZY

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posted February 07, 2001 04:18 PM

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Scaol straight here for the last 7 years. I just quit 2 months ago. NICORETT it works....

I weined myself of the gum with dentine know I nead away to get off dentine...2 pack a day habbit


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GLP

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posted February 07, 2001 06:59 PM

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Damnit I hate to see info that makes it ok to dip because I have a problem with ciggs. Fuck it will go and but a can today. Cherry is my bitch.


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slack3r

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posted February 07, 2001 07:04 PM

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i was a big dipper, havent had a dip in 3 days, longest ive gone since i started..2 years ago


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Mass Monster

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posted February 07, 2001 08:05 PM

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I don't think it should do much to your overall gains, but it might to your lifespan.

Mass Monster


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TheDragon

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posted February 07, 2001 10:10 PM

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Cherry skoal...I remember when that came out. Right at the same time that peppermint entered the scene. I myself use to enjoy Skoal straight. Dont like Hagen..dont like fine cut. Guess its time to start up again LOL.


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JohnyJuice

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posted February 07, 2001 11:28 PM

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shouldnt hinder gains unless your eating goes down the tubes.


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megatron

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posted February 08, 2001 01:19 AM

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I'd rather slow roast my balls over an open fire than quit Cope. I've tried to quit a few times but in the back of my mind i never wanted to quit. Some of you think so-called roid rage is bad... ain't nothing like me without my nicotine for a day.

don't forget this quote:
"This stuff will turn you into a god damn sexual Tyrannosaurus... just like me"
-jesse ventura in "Predator"


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