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Freak 
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Gyno is kicking in, just felt 2 lumps (1 each side) I have begun taking 20mgs of nolva as of today. What I dont understand is that I have done a test cycle before on 1000mgs and dbol at 40mgs and had no problems all the way through. I am only 10 or 11 days into this cycle and already has it has kicked in. I am on deca, enanthate and sust combined and dbol. Why after only 10 days am I getting this if I never got it before on an 8 wk cycle. (cut short). I have been on 50mgs of proviron since day one so am very lost. Anything else I can do? ------------------     | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder 
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i am not a mod, but do you think it could be from the deca? | ||
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Moderator 
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Well if you are using proviron (which inhibits estro production) and you are using nolva (which occupies the estro receptor) and you still have the synmptoms after 1 week then you might be hypersensitive or you may be feeling the effects of progesterone induced gyno (which I still believe to be relatively rare with moderate dosages). So the high dosages are giving you problems that would otherwise be easily solved if low dosages were used....what a surprise... ------------------ Great Information on Injections and Syringes | ||
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Guru
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This is one of my nightmare scenarios,and one of the reasons I never advocate deca/test combos anymore.You're running dual agonists(estrogen and progesterone)so my first advice will be to drop the deca and try to get ahold of some winstrol ASAP.This will narrow down the problem to one route-estrogen,which is much more easily controlled.Hit the nolvadex at 40mgs/day until symptoms subside,then stay at 20mgs/day all the way through your cycle until you begin clomid therapy... | ||
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Guru
Posts: 2001 |
Taking the nolva was smart move, but ten days is exceptionally fast even for a vile drug like deca to cause real gyno at your very reasonable doseage. You should have it looked at by a health care professional as soon as possible. ------------------ [This message has been edited by ulter (edited February 06, 2001).] | ||
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Freak
Posts: 1864 |
LMAO @ 2Thick Yes, I am under the impression that it is from the deca. I was not on the nolva from the beginning just started today because of the sensitivness of the nipples and then after a little feel felt a lump. 2Thick, I am a little bigger than many and dont grow on moderate doses, Im sure you know my view on this matter anyway. Assuming it is the deca, which I cant see why it would be anything else, what is the solution? I can either stop the deca and add something else in its place or use something to combat the prog related sides of it. However I did my first shot of deca just over a week ago, do you think it is possible that it has already kicked in? Apparently yes but could there be any other reasons? ------------------ | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder 
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Iron Game, Sorry to hear about that gyno, but I was wondering if you got my emails? Let me know about that question I had in the last one I sent you. Thanks bro. ------------------ | ||
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Freak
Posts: 1864 |
Thanks Huck, Ulter. I am going to see what happens after a few days, just shot some deca today so dont have too much choice. Will continue with the Nolva. If it doesnt go away by the time I am due my next shot of deca will drop it and replace it with something else. Huck winny gives me the meanest, ugliest red little pimples all over my face. But I would rather have them than gyno. We will see. Once again thanks people ------------------ | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
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Can you let me know what type of dosing schedule you've done so far in this cycle? | ||
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Freak
Posts: 1864 |
Thanks Krusher. So far 2 shots of 1000mgs of test (both slow and fast acting enanthate & sust). My second shot came only a few days ago. Deca 600mgs only shot twice, once about 10 days ago then another shot yesterday. Dbol 30mgs/day for 10 days Proviron 50mgs/day from day one. Nolvadex today 20mgs. Thanks, do you think substituting the deca for primo would be a good move? ------------------ | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder 
Posts: 556 |
quote: Huck - HHAAA HHAAAAAA HHAAAAAAA! Where have I heard this before? Especially with respect to discussing "first cycles." Later, | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 1319 |
I would drop the deca for EQ. Then I would do my best to get my hands on some stanozolol (or RU486 if you know where to get it -- it's a progesterone blocker). ------------------ | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 1022 |
I'm gonna have to agree with Huck (I guess I sound like a broken record)..the deca looks to be the culprit..you're dose is kind of high, I felt a very slight case of gyno when I did 500mgs of deca so I dropped it down to 400 and that was fine..if the gyno isn't very bad, you may get away with simply reducing your dosage to 400mgs, but if you already have the primo on hand, swapping it for the deca would be your safest bet, and follow Huck's nolva advice so that all of your bases are covered. Try the deca on your next cycle at 400mgs..600mgs is really the upper limit of that drug. | ||
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Freak
Posts: 1864 |
Thanks Gymrats, Krusher, and once again everyone. Will substitute will add winny in there for a week, also continue with the nolva and come next shot time will replace with 300mgs of primo. Peace ------------------ | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
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2Thick, correct me if I'm wrong but I thought you were a proponent of Nolvadex being a PR antagonist also. Iron Game, In any case I would definitely up the Nolva to 40mg/day. What about arimidex? If you get that then you will know in short order what the culprit is. | ||
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Moderator
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Add some winny and change the deca for EQ. ------------------ | ||
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Guru
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Moderator
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Somebody save this sum-bitch'in thread....2Thick said it could be Progest. induced gyno from Deca.....hahahahahahahahahahahahaha.... If I remeber correctly it was posted earlier that Deca dick was a myth, and there is no proof of Deca induced gyno.... IG, Huck and AM is correct...use EQ from now on....you will be much more pleased with the results from it, than you would be from Deca....if all else fails, gotta hit the winny.... And I'm glad to see your finally coming around on the Deca issue Huck.....heh heh heh...Chalk up another one for Captain Insane O heh heh heh heh Ranger | ||
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Guru
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AMEN my brotha!That's my triple-threat(sorry George) stack now-TEST/D-BOL/EQ...Keeps all the guess work out of which pathways any of the sides are coming from,and makes it simple to treat them  | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 1316 |
Huck hit the nail on the head. He said exactly what I was going to say. 1- Drop the deca If you can get Arimidex go for it. But you need it soon! Good Luck ------------------ | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 71 |
can a doctor do a blood work to see if your estrogen or progesterone levels are elevated? It is causing a health condition (Gyno), and if you have insurance it should be almost totally covered. In the mean time follow advice from above, beeing as test results will take a week or 2. this will give you info that can be applied to your next cycle, and also verify the deca to progesterone connection. | ||
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Moderator
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1. Deca does not aromatize- so no estrogenic metabolites. 2. Deca is a Progestin, not progesterone. 3. No doctor will treat you as there is no, as far as I know, protocol for treating high systemic levels of progestins. 4. About 1 in 1000 doctors will understand what you are talking about- all right maybe 1 in 100 ------------------ | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 101 |
Deca will give you gyno. Just ask someone that got it from it. I started a Deca only cycle at 300mg for 2 weeks and 400mg the 3rd week. I never got gyno from Deca, but my nipples started burning, were real sensitive, and puffed out enough to make me worry. I quit and just started popping the Clomid. I doubt I'll ever use Deca again. I liked the gains I made from it though. I added about 5 pounds and lost about 3% body fat while on it. The puffy nipples did bother me. It pretty much went away as far as I can tell. So, don't listen to these guys. I only took Deca at low dosages and felt it. ------------------ | ||
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Freak
Posts: 1864 |
Thanks everyone, as of today adding in 50mgs of winny/day for 10 days until I get hold of some eq. If I cannot get any 200mgs/ml of eq quickly then I am going to add primo instad at 300mgs/wk. Taken 40mgs of nolva this morning. Peace ------------------ |
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posted February 06, 2001 02:12 PM
I give credit where credit is due-1911 opened my eyes to the potentiality of problems that can occur with the deca/test cycles,as well as finding the solutions,and I changed my advice on this based on his extremely good points...As we can see,his points have excellent validity by this very thread.Glad you set me straight a long time ago bro,lol...