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 What Gear Can You Drink instead of Shoot?
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Cool Novice 
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I have seen through different post that some people say to drink winny instead of shooting it. Does drinking winny give the same effect as shooting it(inotherwords do you lose potency)? Can you drink other roids like sus, aratest or deca? Does drinking them hurt your stomach lining? btw I don't mind the shots but if I ever start winny it sure seems easier to drink something every other day than shooting it.    | ||
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Guru 
Posts: 5487 |
Winstrol and liquid d-bol are the only two injectibles that will survive the G.I. tract intact.Yes,it works just as well as injecting them,so save yourself the puncture wounds,lol.... | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder 
Posts: 153 |
If I'm correct you can drink any water based roid. The only ones I can think of are Winny, and liquid dbol. Oil based roids cannot be comsumed. ------------------  | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder 
Posts: 324 |
So could you drink test suspension?? ...bd | ||
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Guru
Posts: 5487 |
NO.It is not ALKYLATED,and the vast majority of it will be destroyed by the G.I. tract.. | ||
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Moderator
Posts: 6507 |
If it is meant to be an injectable then inject it. This type of thing takes steroid users to a new level of laziness. ------------------ Great Information on Injections and Syringes | ||
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Guru
Posts: 5487 |
That has to be the most ignorant statement I have ever seen come out of such a bright individual,lol...Yeah bro,go and inject your ref-B,because if you don't,you're LAZY...All I can say is WOW... | ||
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Moderator
Posts: 6507 |
It is all about taking the path of least resistence. It is not one act that makes a man but rather a pattern of behavior. If you would rather drink (which is the path of least resistence) than to inject (which takes more effort) then that is an indication of a faulty and (probably inferior) pattern of behavior that will most likely inhibit success in the long run. Take it as you will but this seemingly simple choice is much more complicated one looked at through the lens of behavioral psychology. BTW- There will always be an exception but the majority of conclusions lead to my theory of laziness. ------------------ Great Information on Injections and Syringes | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 103 |
which would result in being more effective , drinking or sticking ? i would think sticking ! thnx | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder 
Posts: 768 |
if it's a 17AA you can drink it. same goes for anadrol, winny, dbol ect.. | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 594 |
"It is all about taking the path of least resistence. It is not one act that makes a man but rather a pattern of behavior. If you would rather drink (which is the path of least resistence) than to inject (which takes more effort) then that is an indication of a faulty and (probably inferior) pattern of behavior that will most likely inhibit success in the long run. Take it as you will but this seemingly simple choice is much more complicated one looked at through the lens of behavioral psychology. BTW- There will always be an exception but the majority of conclusions lead to my theory of laziness." 2THICK, this psycho-babble further reenforces my long held belief that the field of psychology has no grounds in real science. So, by your psycho-analysis, the act of using a drug in a perfectly logical manner (i.e. drinking an orally active drug), is not wrong by a pharmacological or chemical rationale, but by a moral or character reasoning? Do you inject aspirin or Tylenol for a headache to ensure that you are a true man and to ensure success? | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 235 |
People are nuts, why in the hell would you want to drink the shit. just stick a dart in you and take it like a man. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 60 |
quote: I seriously hope you were being sarcastic. & 2Thick people who use large amounts of test are lazy and people who drink rather than injecting are also lazy! I am sure you cannot possibly think this. As Huck mentioned its propoganda. ------------------ | ||
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Cool Novice
Posts: 18 |
Ok, now I am confused. Why do they put winny in an injected container if it can be swallowed without losing any effectiveness. And no I don't mind useing needles. Like I said taking 4 shots a week seems kinda silly if you don't have to. I mean is there ANY advatage to shooting winny over swollowing it? | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 1319 |
Cut and dry, here we go... The only steroids that can be consumed orally (and be effective orally -- hell, you can take any of them orally, but most will do nothing) are ones that are 17-alpha alkylated. What does this mean to the average person? Not much. It basically means you have to educate yourself about anabolics. The following is a list of oral anabolics because they are 17-aa steroids (regardless if they're in a liquid or tablet form):
This list is NOT a complete list, but it should cover just about anything you'll commonly find. So, to repeat, all the drugs listed above are effective orally regardless of the delivery vehicle. You won't lose 50, 75, 85% of the potency of the drug, but maybe 5% of it, which is negligible. That's the purpose of making the steroid 17-aa -- it survives the stomach acids and digestional tract. ------------------ | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 728 |
If you only got a dime for every time you answered that question Gymrat  ....------------------ | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 1319 |
Am I starting to sound like a broke record?  ------------------ | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 648 |
Man, you guys have to start this shit at least once or twice a week dont you? | ||
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Cool Novice
Posts: 18 |
Gymrat, Thanks alot. Sounds like you know your stuff. You wouldn't mind one more question would ya? What about effects on the liver? Is shooting 17-aa(winny)better than drinking it on the liver? | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 1319 |
There is no known, or recorded medical documents that I have read, difference in liver conditions between oral and injectible versions of a 17-aa steroid. Regardless of the method of delivery, it still has to be processed by the liver several times for it to be completely metabolized. ------------------ | ||
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Guru
Posts: 2000 |
CONGRADULATIONS GYMRATSD AND COCKDEZL!!!!! I would like to be the first to congratulate and welcome our newest members. You are now officially members of the Lazy Boyzz. ------------------ | ||
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Cool Novice
Posts: 18 |
Thanks Gymrat! Appreciate it. | ||
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Moderator
Posts: 6507 |
quote: First of all I rarely (if ever) use aspirin or any other drug. The only "drugs" I would ever use is clen and/or E/C/S. BTW-Gear is a hormone so it is not a drug. Secondly, I was asked to back-up my theory of laziness and I did using psychology. To tell you the truth, I prefer Sociology to Psychology 99% of the time (even though the average person is not intelligent enough to appreciate the difference). The next time that you do not understand what I am writing, please refrain from blindly trying to destroy what is foreign to you. If you cannot see that this is not an attack on veteran and knowledgeable users then you must not fall within the aforementioned category... ------------------ Great Information on Injections and Syringes | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 357 |
2Thick, I think this is the first time I've ever seen you pissed off. LOL Just one question, If taking steroids oral is lazy, then what is the purpose of 17-aa steroids? It's called technology, 2Thick. Godspeed | ||
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Moderator
Posts: 6507 |
I didn't deny that it was possible to make gains by drinking, but rather I was noting that the behavior that takes the form of following the path of least resistance is usually a sign of a strong tendency for languorousness (lazyness). ------------------ Great Information on Injections and Syringes | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 1319 |
quote: I don't consider drinking an oral steroid and avoiding needless injections to be either "lazy", "languorous", or the "path of least resistance". It's simply being motivated. ------------------ | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 457 |
Just take the needle stick it in smile and inject its that simple Mass Monster | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 153 |
Why not take it orally if you can? Avoid possible infections and absecces, broken needles, struck nerves, and everything else associated with needle use. I'm not saying I wouldn't use needles, I'm using them now, but if you didn't have to why would you? ------------------ | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 108 |
i say if you can drink it, then drink it. quicker...can take an amp with you and drink it anywhere...can't do that w/ a needle ------------------ | ||
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Moderator
Posts: 1850 |
quote: i agree with you on this one reguarding winny!! drink the Ref-b ------------------ | ||
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Novice 
Posts: 5 |
"Gear is a hormone so it is not a drug." BZZZZT, Wrong. Steroids are synthetic hormones, making them drugs. | ||
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Guru
Posts: 5487 |
quote: Hey!You forgot about me!I'm a lazy,high-dose using,Testosterone-loving, liquid 17AA ingulfing individual too!lol... | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 154 |
Tyberiusrex - BBZZZT - WRONG! How is a synthetic hormone a fucking drug? A synthetic hormone is a synthetic hormone, isn't it??? HELLO!!! 2Thick - FINALLY someone else who calls it like it is - steroids are not drugs, hence "drugs in sport" is an invalid and misleading statement. People (particularly Tyberiusrex) need to understand the rhetoric used by the media, the govts and the sporting bodies - by calling gear "drugs" they infer many of the same negative conceptions that are held for narcotics. Further, it reinforces the criminality of steroids. Think about this - your parents would not want you taking drugs, but would they be so worried about hormones? What about the regulatory authorities.... if we succeeded in changing the rhetoric such that steroids were referred to as hormones, do you think customs, prosecutors and the like would be on such a trip about the importation of hormones? Not even nearly.... And I like 2Thick's sentiment - if it's meant to be injected, inject it! IronMike | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 60 |
For me, I felt like a friggin voodoo doll jabbin winny EOD when I already had test to inject weekly. Some people may not mind frequent injections, but after a while, they wear in me. If I lose a little potentcy, I'll risk it and buy a few more amps. | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 408 |
if you cant take it, then drink creatine. ------------------ | ||
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Guru
Posts: 5487 |
I will make this statement loud and clear,and make NO apologies for it... ANYONE WHO ADVOCATES INJECTING LIQUID DIANABOL TO ANOTHER HUMAN BEING IS A COMPLETE IGNORAMUS.THAT IS HIGHLY IRRESPONSIBLE AND NOT VERY WELL THOUGHT OUT,AS IT IS FILLED WITH IMPURITIES AND BACTERIA THAT WILL CAUSE A GREAT DEAL MORE HARM BEING DEEPLY INJECTED,AS OPPOSED TO BEING RAN THROUGH THE G.I.TRACT...I seriously hope none of the newer folks listened to that assinine advice where the d-bol was concerned,as that was highly irresponsible... | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 357 |
2Thick, I believe you now need to prove your views. Huck, that is very interesting info, I didn't know that about dianabol. Can you explain it? If it requires a lengthy explanation, just drop me a line w/ the info. Thanks. Gospeed | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 728 |
Does injectable winny go thru any other "special" process that the tabs don't. The reason that I ask this is because if I obtain some powdered winny and I use a kit to convert it into an injectable, or mix it with some propylene glycol to make it an oral it's still Winstrol isn't it? Just because it comes in a vial doesn't change anything. Alot of people want to sound hardcore by saying they inject it. I actually like injections myself, but not enough to inject ED or EOD yet. As gymrat has stated NUMEROUS times, the only two reasons it comes in injectables is emergency situations and to administer to animals. It's much easier to give an animal a shot of winny that to have them drink it... ------------------ | ||
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Novice
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quote: Ok sport, Im gonna explain like you were a 5 year old. Synthetic means that its not real, right? So how do you make a synthetic hormone you ask? I'll tell you how! Thru a chemical process, making steroids a chemical substance...a drug. I hope I dont have to actually explain the process, I doubt you'd understand. Im glad youve taken it upon yourself to decide for everyone that steroids arent drugs, maybe USA Today can do a story on ya to set the record straight about that nasty connotation of calling them drugs. My favorite part was... "How is a synthetic hormone a fucking drug? A synthetic hormone is a synthetic hormone, isn't it???" Bwahaha, thats some good shit. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 126 |
I like this post. How would drinking winny, or any other 17AA, be less effective than injecting it?? IT WOULDNT, SO DONT TRY TO MAKE IT SOUND LIKE WOULD!!! Does drinking the winny before working out make me less 'pumped' or 'hyped' for when i work out??? Not at all, and that's the time when it counts, so it makes NO DIFFERENCE. Gotta side with Huck and Cockdezl on this one. | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 1319 |
Daeo, no, stanozolol does not go through any different processes when injected versus oral administration. It still hits the bloodstream regardless and is metabolized by passing through the liver several times. ------------------ | ||
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Moderator
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17aa drugs are DESIGNED and INTENDED for ORAL use. The mere fact that veterinary Scientist/pharmaceutical engineers have decided to suspend them in an ijectable form does not mean, in any way shape or form, that humans should inject these subastances. Injections CAUSE scar tissue, WHY INJECT IF YOU DONT HAVE TO? last DRUG: Amazingly "gear" meets all three of these definitions. #3 might sound a bit off but hormones-in truth- affect the CNS, in both an agonist and antogonist role, and thus cause, some, changes in behaviour. ------------------ | ||
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Cool Novice
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In conclusion as this comes up constantly and is kind of boring...17aa taken by injection skips one hardcore pass through the liver which is what breaks it down (oral route has an extra good pass/chance of breakdown via oral entry to the body = cost/benifit ratio) therefore via injection you get more active chemical into your system at less processing / damaging effect to your liver. If you monitor your liver values regularly and they are fine and you do not consume excessive amounts of other hepatotoxins ie. alcohol etc. go ahead and drink it. Also veterinary d-bol for injection which is the only liquid dbol I know of is prone to poor quality control with regards to sterility so it might be a better idea to go the oral route here to avoid abcesses, infection and boils among other potential problems. It is a choice of administration for this class of chemicals based on the needs of the individual and not something written in stone...look up the facts and make an educated decision on what is right for you. No one else can say what is right for you, your ass, your liver or your reasoning, or your comfort zone in this area. Please stop asking this question and philosiphising on it. These are the facts [This message has been edited by ASTRAL FITNESS (edited February 06, 2001).] | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 134 |
Drinking the roids down is the weirdest thing I've ever heard! | ||
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Cool Novice
Posts: 40 |
go the direct route !
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 728 |
Actually I meant a chemical process in manufacturing Gymrat. It seems like alot of people on here think that just because it winny comes in a vial/amp you HAVE to inject it or it's wasted. In that case then winny tabs are ineffective then, which is totally bullcrap. I'll save my ass from some extra scar tissue if I can help it... P.S Slider: You must have not heard many weird things in your life ------------------ | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 452 |
So, who here has used successfully most of the "drinkable" AS? And I'm talking everything else besides winny and dbol. ------------------ | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
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quote: This shows plain ignorance. As for the manufacturing process, since there is no difference in the drug formulation between making it a liquid or a tablet, there is no difference in the manufacturing process. The only thing that happens when making a tablet is that the drug is pressed with some inactive materials at a very high pressure to make it a tablet. The drug such as stanozolol is still the same drug. ------------------ | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
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quote: I'm not too sure what you're referring to here, but the only gear that I would take orally are the drugs that I listed above. All others would be rendered ineffective if taken orally. ------------------ | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 452 |
Okay, I was a little vague in my questioning. How about this: Besides the common oral AS in tab form such as dbol, who has effectively used something like Andriol? I have never used it and from all of the information I have ever read on it, you are better off using an injectible form of test vs. an oral compound such as Andriol. Period. Correct? ------------------ | ||
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Moderator
Posts: 6507 |
Andriol is NOT 17AA so its potency will be lowered when it goes through your digestive tract (and especially through the liver). ------------------ Great Information on Injections and Syringes | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 357 |
Guys listen to GymRat-Drink your winny-Its the same compound as the orals----You dont need a twist off cap to realize that you can drink it---These were made into injectables for animal use---its easier to inject a horse then feed him 50 tabs---- Never inject Ref-B----You will be sorry--- | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 357 |
[This message has been edited by Wombat (edited February 06, 2001).] | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 1319 |
Andriol is the exception to the rule. When Organon developed Andriol, aka testosterone undecanoate, the theory was that the long ester would protect the hormone during the digestion process. They were only partly correct. Much of it is destroyed before becoming bioavailable -- somewhere in the range of 65 to 80%. It's the only anabolic I know of that is developed for oral consumption that is not a 17-aa. ------------------ | ||
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Cool Novice
Posts: 30 |
RECIPE OF CHAMPIONS: 1 PACKET CHOCOLATE EAS MYOPLEX PUT ALL INGREDIENTS IN A BLENDER. BLEND AT HIGH SPEEDS FOR 45 SECONDS. HEHE =). TASTES YUMMY! =)~ ------------------ | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 154 |
.... [This message has been edited by Iron Mike (edited February 06, 2001).] | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 401 |
Once again, GymRat, cockdezl, macrophage, and others who are well respected members of this board are right in their assessments. If you are injecting any of the 17aa's that GymRat listed, then you are a complete moron. Even experts like Bill Roberts, Will Brink, Duchaine, Bruce Kneller, Pat Arnold, etc. support this idea. Load up the damn syringe and drink the shit! Also, oral steroids are believed to give off certain growth hormones that are not present when injected. Anyone who believes that ED/EOD injections are easier is clueless. And yes, I have done it both ways, and there is a big difference in keeping it "easy" in my opinion. I don't know why I even post when this topic is brought up every other week. MR. BMJ [This message has been edited by MR. BMJ (edited February 06, 2001).] |
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posted February 05, 2001 02:45 PM
