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 HELP WITH HGH !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Cool Novice 
Posts: 19 |
I'M DOING 2 IU PER DAY FOR 5 NIGHTS WITH THE 6TH 7TH NIGHTS OFF PLEASE HELP!!!! AND WHAT WILL INSULIN DO?     | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder 
Posts: 1196 |
Help with what??? | ||
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Novice 
Posts: 3 |
You need to do a minimum of 4iu a day. Use insulin immediately after workouts(1iu per 15-20lbs of lean mass) w/ 10g of carbs per iu. Then take the gh 30-40 mins after the insulin. One hell of a pump. If you don,t use insulin you need to spike your natural insulin with something like a carboforce and take the gh 30 mins after. Split the gh up so you do 2iu's twice a day. I have researched this because I just started as well. Email at [email protected] for more info ------------------ | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder 
Posts: 541 |
I agree with Havok on all but the timing. Don't take your GH until at least 3 hrs before or after the insulin. | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 338 |
PerfectRep - what is the advantage of waiting the extra time before taking the HGH? I would have thought that it would be better to take it at 30 minutes after with the insulin spike. Is there some other factor in the equation that I'm missing? thanks. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder 
Posts: 51 |
I'm not agree..Take insuli 60-64minutes after GH and take with 10gr of glucose per UI of insulin.Insulin must be double than GH(1UI gh,2UI insulin).So teached me a great GURU of this Forum!!!;-) | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 488 |
it's a bad idea to generalize anything in ratio's like that. As it's a VERY good idea to be on the safer side of insulin use! -You need at least 4iu/day of hGH to make it worth while -1iu of insulin for every 20-22lbs of LBM -Insulin and hGH blood level spikes, I do not beleive interact with eachother directly, or through other biological pathways, so the timing would be to important - I DON'T BELIEVE...if someone can verify that my theory is incorrect, please do so, this was an assumption! -Insulin should be used, immediately following a work, 10-15g's of carbs per iu used is acceptable. -Longer acting insulins pose more of a health concern over short acting ones. There are many people hwo use insulin on this board, the variety of opinions should help you form your own. | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 338 |
Great. Now we've got three opinions, but still not explanations. Could someone explain how GH and insulin interact and the different effects of taking them 30 min, 60 min, or 3 hrs apart ? | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 488 |
quote: I meant to say it shouldn't be all that important, and my explanation was that I didn't beleive that they interacted together. This could be wrong, but that was what I thought and my explanation. Wait for more before you get all flustered | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 541 |
The HGH and insulin do interact, but I double checked and it's only a 1.5 hour window, not 3 hours. | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 488 |
I'm not doubting you PerfectRep, but don't know and am very curious, via what pathways do they interact??? I'm really interested in finding out, being that I use a sugar/Glutamine mix after a workout to spike doth insulin and GH levels... | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 338 |
Thanks for the responses. MeanOne, was I frustrated? Yes. Flustered? No. I didn't see your post when I asked for explanations (hence I said "three opinions"). | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 541 |
Since insulin and IFG-1 are closely related, if they cross it will cause interference. It is not the GH itself that causes growth, it is the release of IFG-1 caused by the GH introduction. | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 488 |
How so? I mean to say, how would they interfer with each other. What would happen to either compound, or it's respective receptor? | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 541 |
I guess that the interaction would supress the IFG-1. Think about the relationship between insulin ans HGH. One of the effects of HGH alone is the natural secretion of insulin is supressed. Now if you introduce synthetic insulin and HGH at the same time...I don't know exactly, but it has evidently become common knowledge among the pros and top amateurs. | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 488 |
Okay, but here is a good follow up question then. If hGH supresses natural insulin levels, then why not suppliment the insulin, instead of spiking the insulin, and only to suppress it a few hours later. Seems to me, if you hit yourself at both angles, the insulin supression activity of hGH is no longer a factor as a bad side effect, and also, you are now stimulating an adaptive response (IE Muscle Growth) from 3 different growth mechanisms, instead of hitting one, then hitting another, which supresses the natural production of the first one, then hittng the other. Just theoretical discussion - This has always been my train of thought, hence forth injecting 100-200mgs of Suspension post workout on cycle, and my Glutamine/Sugar drink. | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 541 |
I think I agree MeanOne. That's why if you do HGH, it's important to take insulin as well (not to mention T3 because the thyroid is also supressed by HGH). There is obviously a difference in interaction between naturally spiking insulin (sugar/glutamine) and GH production, and putting synthetic GH and slin in the body. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 55 |
i have taken gh a few time but never with slin. i have takin 4 ius a day 6ius a day then im thinking about 3 or 6 this time again but should i do 3 postwork along with slin or what? or should slikn be taken throught the day. | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 541 |
Take 2-4IUs HGH in the morning, 10-15IU insulin after workout, then 2-4IU HGH before bed. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 55 |
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posted February 03, 2001 10:59 AM